FYI 2022 Updated Production Schedule

[GodzillaDude]

Sounds good in theory. Good luck.

I just want my darn truck.

Me too! Hopefully no more bumps from 5/9.

Just like Ford knows there is an a$$ for every seat or truck they build, there is a lawyer(s) willing to take any case. I think we need to stop underestimating the power of sticking together. If something like having a cancelled order for a ‘22 and being forced to pay a price increase for a ‘23 happens, this forum and BOF will have plenty of potential members for a class action suit.

As for me, it looks like I will be buying a RAM this afternoon wether or not I will keep it if/when they deliver my Tremor is up in the air. Maybe I will install all the mods I have waiting for it in my garage and turn around and list it for $125k

 

[_Slayer]

I didn’t sign anything that had such a clause


If you can’t or won’t build a 2022 as promised, I will take a ‘2023

The binding part of the contract is the fact that they took money as a deposit

I respectfully disagree with this point. You have no contract with Ford. There's no Ford representative signature on what you signed regardless of putting a deposit down. If the laws in your state suggest that a good faith deposit is binding, then you still have no agreement with Ford, you'd have an agreement with the dealer. Even so, I'm quite sure there's no language stating that you have price protection for a model that's yet to be released and yet to be priced. Why would a dealer put themselves in a position to price protect you if they don't yet know what their invoice cost is on their side of the purchase? It doesn't make business sense to do something like that.

 

[Mister Bill]

If you put a deposit down, at what point does the dealer say sorry we can’t get you a truck here is your money back.
Granger has said once ‘23 production starts they will give refunds or re order. To me it seems allot of guys have no chance of getting a MY’22 and they should start looking at returning deposits soon. Or Atleast offering customers that option of sticking it out or tossing in the towel.

I would not look for any trucks getting 99'd until early fall at the latest, long after the model year order banks open. I believe most, if not all, trucks will get built given what has been shared. It may be later this year, but they will get built. Patience, young grasshopper.

 

[gommer]

The binding part of the contract is the fact that they took money as a deposit

To which most courts would see the refunding of the deposit as the dissolution of any agreement.

All I'm saying is it's a weak contract at best, in the vast majority of states your verbal agreement to the sale is far more enforceable than the order sheet -- which as a basis of law does itself not meet the most minimal requirements for an enforceable contract. Likely, it is simply evidence to support your assertion of a verbal agreement, which how enforceable that is varies by state.

So, again, while it would be a strong basis to enforce an agreed upon sale price -- it does not rise to the level of tort, which is what you would need to pursue anything beyond that. Meaning, it is very unlikely a court would enforce that agreement in such a way as to force Ford to produce a vehicle for you that they do not have, direct the sale of another vehicle to you that was allocated to another and therefore would give rise to another potential tort, nor would it provide injury such that you would receive compensation for time or other injury.

In short, it's really just not an enforceable contract in itself. Any verbal or written agreements outside of that are just that, separate, and the signed order sheet would merely support another assertion. As previously stated, the customer is the only signatory to that sheet.

 

[Bldrinker]

Not even close. If parts are available, Ford can, and has, mass schedule as many trucks as they have capacity to build. All in a day. The supply chain is the only factor in play here. It makes zero sense to schedule a vehicle they do not have the parts in hand to build. You are still confusing monthly allocation with incremental allocation. They are not one and the same, as there is no limit on incremental allocation.

Ok call it incremental. What we call it does not matter.
Supply chain is not going to improve anywhere near enough for them to build what is on the books.
And that supply chain directly affects how many trucks a dealer gets.

Explain to me how Ford will build 200k trucks in the next 7-9months. When many people are already waiting longer than that.

 

[Mister Bill]

Once those new prices go into effect, I can claim that I saved $4240 on my truck (when I finally get to buy it) just by virtue of ordering it back in July when the MSRP was that much lower. No PCO, no X-plan, no "X% under invoice if you drive 1000 miles to pick it up" drama. All I had to do was wait for 9 months.

Since the 22MY order bank is already closed (though, it remains to be seen if that is permanent until 23MY comes along), I'd say it's just a way to ease the transition into the higher 23MY pricing that we all know is coming. If Ford introduced the 23MY with a $8000 price increase of a comparable 22MY price, that looks a lot worse than if they increase a the 23MY price by a mere $2000 over the 22MY (since they'll have already jacked up the 22MY price by ~$6000 or more by then, maybe).

-SR-

Ice over at BOF said last month or so that we should expect to see at least two more price increases before the 23 order banks open for the very reason you just said, to lessen sticker shock for the 23's. He has been spot on with his predictions since I began following him last year.

 

[Bldrinker]

I would not look for any trucks getting 99'd until early fall at the latest, long after the model year order banks open. I believe most, if not all, trucks will get built given what has been shared. It may be later this year, but they will get built. Patience, young grasshopper.

What Info has been shared that says they will build all orders?

 

[DurhamTremor]

Happy Friday all!!

Ordered 02 Nov 21, F250 Tremor Lariat Ultimate, BAP, UTT, 5W prep, Moonroof, Upfitters, clearance lights. Still no VIN but dealer has now put me on priority 10 and dropped the spray liner from BAP.
I have a new 5th wheel trailer arriving mid-May and voiced my disappointment my truck still wasn't scheduled.
I must commend the dealer I ordered with as they thought of me when an F250 with 5W prep deal fell through and called to see if I'd be interested in this truck as a stop gap until my order came in.
I jumped at the opportunity as I didn't want to be stuck without something to pull our trailer.
Now I have an F250 XLT with 5W prep which I purchased. Once my original order comes in I will bring her back and pay the difference.
I must have built up my Karma bank!! Buying a lotto ticket tonight.

 

[Floral_Industries]

Explain to me how Ford will build 200k trucks in the next 7-9months. When many people are already waiting longer than that.

Technically, if the Kentucky plant can produce over 7142 trucks per week, then Ford can clear a 200,000 truck order bank in 28 weeks.

 

[Mister Bill]

What Info has been shared that says they will build all orders?

Is has been widely reported order banks for the 23 model will not open until this fall, and that the changeover will happen during the holidays. Typically, the order banks are opened around May and changeover occurs during the summer. If you want to be a negative Nelly, do it with someone else. I am finding you to be quite annoying and not that well informed. Good day.

 

[Bldrinker]

Technically, if the Kentucky plant can produce over 7142 trucks per week, then Ford can clear a 200,000 truck order bank in 28 weeks.

That would require a supply chain without issue correct?
I don’t believe that will be the case for a very long time.

 

[Bldrinker]

Is has been widely reported order banks for the 23 model will not open until this fall, and that the changeover will happen during the holidays. Typically, the order banks are opened around May and changeover occurs during the summer. If you want to be a negative Nelly, do it with someone else. I am finding you to be quite annoying and not that well informed. Good day.

Ok ‘22 orders will not get canceled. Got it

 

[22tremor22]

Everyone seen upcoming msrp increases this morning? It’s becoming a bi monthly occurrence now with Ford.

Ford Retail Price Increases

blueovalforums.com

At least it calls out price protection for retail orders ordered prior to April 12.

Automatic price protection will be provided on:
• Firm 2022-model fleet, retail, and demonstrator orders signed and dated on or before April 12, 2022, and received by Ford Motor Company on or before April 18, 2022.

 

[Warpath]

Well i just got a call, after 2 weeks staying in the same build day i got bumped to 4/25 from 4/19.

 

[Threeper]

Is has been widely reported order banks for the 23 model will not open until this fall, and that the changeover will happen during the holidays. Typically, the order banks are opened around May and changeover occurs during the summer. If you want to be a negative Nelly, do it with someone else. I am finding you to be quite annoying and not that well informed. Good day.

It has been widely speculated, not reported.

 

[jpeckinp]

Any info on scheduling for next week?

 

[Alpoba]

At least it calls out price protection for retail orders ordered prior to April 12.

When a significant number of Ford dealers in the country don’t honor price protection without a fight, and many customers end up losing the fight even when they bring up these memos, calling it out ain't worth a dime to those who end up paying these MSRP increases on their retail orders.

 

[GodzillaDude]

I respectfully disagree with this point. You have no contract with Ford. There's no Ford representative signature on what you signed regardless of putting a deposit down. If the laws in your state suggest that a good faith deposit is binding, then you still have no agreement with Ford, you'd have an agreement with the dealer. Even so, I'm quite sure there's no language stating that you have price protection for a model that's yet to be released and yet to be priced. Why would a dealer put themselves in a position to price protect you if they don't yet know what their invoice cost is on their side of the purchase? It doesn't make business sense to do something like that.

You are right, it is a binding agreement with the dealer, still does not mean that Ford would not be named as an additional party to a lawsuit. I do have a signature on my OTD price sheet from a Ford representative (the dealer represents Ford as a franchisee).

To which most courts would see the refunding of the deposit as the dissolution of any agreement.

All I'm saying is it's a weak contract at best, in the vast majority of states your verbal agreement to the sale is far more enforceable than the order sheet -- which as a basis of law does itself not meet the most minimal requirements for an enforceable contract. Likely, it is simply evidence to support your assertion of a verbal agreement, which how enforceable that is varies by state.

So, again, while it would be a strong basis to enforce an agreed upon sale price -- it does not rise to the level of tort, which is what you would need to pursue anything beyond that. Meaning, it is very unlikely a court would enforce that agreement in such a way as to force Ford to produce a vehicle for you that they do not have, direct the sale of another vehicle to you that was allocated to another and therefore would give rise to another potential tort, nor would it provide injury such that you would receive compensation for time or other injury.

In short, it's really just not an enforceable contract in itself. Any verbal or written agreements outside of that are just that, separate, and the signed order sheet would merely support another assertion. As previously stated, the customer is the only signatory to that sheet.

Good thing the state of Arizona recognises and regularly enforces verbal agreements as binding contracts. Good thing I recorded all conversations both in person and over the phone (no need for prior permission as AZ is a one party consent state for recordings and I was party to the conversation). Good thing my dealer offered me the same model year price protections as Ford. Good thing they verbally told me they would sell me a truck with the same options for that price even if I got moved to ‘23MY. Good thing I have an honest dealer and I live in a place where handshake deals are still honoured.

Why would a dealer put themselves in a position to price protect you if they don't yet know what their invoice cost is on their side of the purchase? It doesn't make business sense to do something like that.

Because I have agreed to order 3 more Superduties at MSRP when the 2023 order banks open up. I need them for work and am ordering them as retail instead of fleet. My guess is that they want me to be a return customer

 

[22tremor22]

To which most courts would see the refunding of the deposit as the dissolution of any agreement.

All I'm saying is it's a weak contract at best, in the vast majority of states your verbal agreement to the sale is far more enforceable than the order sheet -- which as a basis of law does itself not meet the most minimal requirements for an enforceable contract. Likely, it is simply evidence to support your assertion of a verbal agreement, which how enforceable that is varies by state.

So, again, while it would be a strong basis to enforce an agreed upon sale price -- it does not rise to the level of tort, which is what you would need to pursue anything beyond that. Meaning, it is very unlikely a court would enforce that agreement in such a way as to force Ford to produce a vehicle for you that they do not have, direct the sale of another vehicle to you that was allocated to another and therefore would give rise to another potential tort, nor would it provide injury such that you would receive compensation for time or other injury.

In short, it's really just not an enforceable contract in itself. Any verbal or written agreements outside of that are just that, separate, and the signed order sheet would merely support another assertion. As previously stated, the customer is the only signatory to that sheet.

The fact here is that if you have an agreed upon price, such as your order sheet from your dealer, you ARE in fact price protected unless you've made an adjustment to your original order that was signed. Your dealer should make you sign another order sheet reflecting any changes you've made. That price increase is legitimate. In this case, the caveat is your order must have been signed and dated before 4/12/2022. Below is an excerpt, from FORD, regarding the verbiage of "retail orders" as it pertains to their ordering process. Retail orders are price protected. Also below is the "reasoning" behind FORD's scheduling system, which is completely computerized. Try wrapping your head around all of the jargon regarding scheduling.

Retail- Sold orders; have a customer name assigned to them in the system. These also have price protection in case of an increase. Stock units don't. It’s an order type 1 in the system (or A, X, K for the weird order types)


5. Scheduling.

Scheduling usually happens Thursday night (allocation happens Wed night and we get the results sometime Thursday). Basically it’s all done by computer (unless something like a priority 01 may be manually scheduled first to make sure it gets scheduled). It lines all the dealers (that have allocation) in some sort of random order. If there are no commodities, this is easy, first dealers unit scheduled, second dealers, third dealers, etc, Once all dealers first allocation has been scheduled they go to the next round and do the same for the dealers that have a second allocation, once everyone's second is done they go through those with a 3rd and so on. Now that’s in a perfect world where there aren't any commodities.

Here in the real world it works a little different. Commodities screw this all up. Right now most vehicles only have 1 or two commodities so it’s not as big of deal. At times there might be 10 different commodities that are all separate and different and can make things difficult.

If when scheduling gets to a dealers allocation, and his order has a commodity that has already run out, they skip him for that pass. He doesn't loose his allocation, it gets used in the next pass, but it can cost him in other commodities. Let me do an example. This is PURELY SAMPLE, not actual numbers.

Lets say Super Duty F-Series commodities

5% Crew Cab
30% Two tone
50% Power Stroke
25% V-10

now we're going to use Dealer A and dealer B. Lets say they both got 3 allocations.

Dealer A
F-250 V-10 Supercab with 2 tone priority 20
F-350 V-10 Regular cab with 2 tone priority 25
F-250 PowerStroke priority 30

Dealer B
F-250 V-10 Crew Cab priority 10
F-250 V-10 Crew Cab priority 11
F-250 Supecab Two tone V-10 Priority 12
F-250 Regular cab PowerStroke priority 13
F-250 Supercab 5.4L priority 17
F250 Regular cab 5.4L priority 18
F350 supercab 5.4L priority 20

OK now to schedule. Let’s say dealer A is toward the beginning of scheduling and dealer B is at the end (supposed to be a random order, but someone has to be first and someone last, but the dealer has no say in this).

1. System looks at dealer a's first order, Commodities still available so it gets scheduled.
2. System gets do dealer b's first order and is out of Crew cabs before it gets there so dealer b doesn't get a unit scheduled

3. Dealer A's up again and gets his second scheduled as both are available.
4. Dealer B's second order is a crew cab again so nothing schedules again this pass

5. Dealer A's 3rd order is still OK so it also gets scheduled and uses up his final allocation.
6. Dealer B's 3rd order isn't a Crew cab, but after 2 and 1/2 passes 2 tone is exhausted so again nothing scheduled.

7. Dealer B's Power Stroke order doesn't schedule as they are used up in previous passes so he has yet to have a unit schedule.
8. Dealer B gets the next three units scheduled in the next three passes as the commodities ordered are still available (in this example).

So when it’s said and done Dealer A got 2 V-10's 1 Power Stroke and 2 two tone orders where dealer B got nothing off of the control list. He gets his three units that he was allocated, but doesn't get any of the hard to get stuff due to the way his order bank was prioritized. This is why a dealer would want to put some of the moderately difficult items in the middle instead of all the hardest to get stuff at the first priority. If I had set up my order bank (in this example) I would have had a crew cab 1st and some a two tone second.

 

[LT75]

I don’t understand how it can’t be flagged as not honoring a agreement. That leaves the door open for consumers to constantly get screwed. What’s to say that some manufacturers in the future won’t intentionally delay production to force customers into a more expensive model year? Or giving PCO’s with no intention of honoring it, just to get your deposit to lock you into a deal for more money down the road.