The real story on Tremor springs

Do you have a part # or link to these springs? I looked on BDS website and the smallest lift I saw for the 7.3 was a 4" lift.
Yeah they are technically the 'diesel' springs.

However, the same springs are listed as part of this level kit for gas or diesel 🤷‍♂️

I'm happy.
 
Anyone have any 4800# (LAV) Tremor or 5200# (LAT) takeoff coils they want to sell?

ZooDad
 
Anyone have any 4800# (LAV) Tremor or 5200# (LAT) takeoff coils they want to sell?

ZooDad

I bought my 5,200lb (LAT) Tremor springs on ebay last fall to replace my non-tremor 4,800lb. That is a good place to keep an eye on. You can also check with local shops that do a lot of suspension work. I couldn't find any local, but I'm not in a high-population area. The number of owners that pull off all their Tremor suspension and replace with Carli or other, you'd think we'd be swimming in Tremor springs/shocks/blocks take-offs. Thankfully, brand new springs are not crazy expensive.

My ebay Tremor LAT springs came with their Tremor shocks, which I didn't want/need but that made the $350-for-all price worth it. I could sell just the shocks for that and effectively get the springs for free. Or, I'll keep those shocks laying around in case I want to install them when the Fox 2.5" Performance Elite are occasionally getting rebuilt. That would mean I could throw on the tremor shocks in the fall and send out Fox for a rebuild over the winter. Then re-install them in the spring.

Camper is on fulltime. I don't want 3.5" plus of overall height increase, hence why I'm going from non-tremor to tremor springs which are 1" taller. I have two friends with the same truck and camper, so similar fulltime payload, that have done this same swap; Gone from non-tremor to tremor springs but also bumped up spring weight from 4,800lb to 5,200lb. And, we all have similar 1,800 - 2,400 lbs of payload fulltime depending on the day. Between the 1" taller spring and the heavier spring rate, with the camper loaded, their front ends, after settling, are sitting 1.5" taller, which is exactly what I'm after. 1" is lift from taller spring and 0.5" is sitting higher within the travel due to increased spring rate. And this update adds/moves that 1.5" to compression travel which is good because Superduty have a lot less compression travel than rebound travel in stock form. This helps balance that and split suspension travel 50/50 between compression and rebound travel, which is where you want it on a overlanding rig. Adding compression travel should have me hammering the bump stops less often on the trails (Adding the Fox 2.5" performance elites will also help greatly in that regard). Front anti-swaybar will be completely removed.

Long term, I'll do full progressive leaf pack in the rear, but for now, I'll install an add-a-leaf (1224 LB) which will have the rear suspension sitting 1.75" taller in the suspension travel due to the added spring rate. This will have me sitting with a small amount of rake (.25" taller in the rear with camper fully loaded with water and supplies, passengers, full of fuel, tools/recovery gear, etc.) which is where my buddies' rigs are sitting. However, I sometimes have 300 - 400lb of tongue weight (fishing boat, enclosed trailer, dirtbike or MTBs on receiver rack, etc.) so will sometimes compress rear suspension more than that. I do like some rake, even when loaded, so I may also swap the non-tremor rear block with a Tremor block to add another 1" to the rear which will give me slightly more departure angle and keep me from being squatted with tongue weight added.

Note: Adding tongue weight not only adds that weight to the rear axle, but transfers weight off the front axle onto the rear.
For example, I scaled when fulling packed for a week long trip. The boat was 360lb of tongue weight, but added 560lbs to the rear axle (360lb from tongue weight and another 200lb of weight moved from the front axle onto the rear axle).

Truck/camper only:
Scale: 9,640lb (4,500F/5,140R)
Payload 2,435lb

Re-weigh with fishing boat hooked up.
Scale: 10,000lb (4,300F/5,700R)
Payload: 2,795lb

My main reason for adding the lift to my non-tremor at all is to fit 37" tires. I'm a big fan of fitting the tallest tire possible with the shortest lift possible. Larger diameter tires give better rollover and increase axle ground clearance where suspension lift results in only increased chassis clearance. We already scrape through the trees on the trails we frequent and I want to keep overall height increase to a minimum, hence my desire to add clearance through tire size rather than only suspension lift. Meaning, I'd rather add 2.5" of overall height (37" tires and 1.5" lift) than add 3.5" of height (same 35" tires but 3.5" lift). Yes, adding both 3.5" lift and 2" taller tires (1" axle clearance) would be great, but just don't want to live with an overall height increase of 4.5" over current (3.5" lift and 1" taller from 2" tire diameter increase). Because of that, the easy and common mod, of just throwing on both a Carli 3.5" lift and 37" tires, is not an option for my use case.
 
I picked up a set of new 5600lbs LAS springs from a vendor off EBay for $140 each, hoping to get a shade over 1” increased ride height and remove some of the boaty feeling from the front end on my FX4.

My first F250 was a 2021 FX4 with the 7.3 and came with 5200lbs springs which road very well once I added a Ranch Hand Legend bumper, by my math ride should be similar to that with 5600lbs coils and the extra weight of the diesel.
 
Anyone have any 4800# (LAV) Tremor or 5200# (LAT) takeoff coils they want to sell?

ZooDad
I've had these taken off six months ago. You can have them if you want:

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Interesting findings during the recent Norcal Tremor meet up. While hanging out with the group, @Camarox2 mentioned that my 2022 F250 FX4 7.3 GAS with tremor swapped springs looked taller that his 2022 Lariat F350 tremor DIESEL in the front. Both trucks have OEM 285/75/18 Duratracs with similar tread depth, and dual batteries. Mine has a factory winch. No other mods.

After measuring fender heights, my sat exactly 1" taller than his truck in the front. (1" lower in the rear as mine is still factory FX4 suspension)

When I swapped to tremor springs, I followed the guide on the first page and ordered the correct tremor spring (4800LB) for my front weight. Picture of my vehicle tag.
Ordered these springs.
https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts/ford-spring-front-lc3z5310al

No other mods on either truck.

I definitely felt an improvement in ride with the additional bump travel but have not noticed the springs feeling any stiffer than the originals.
It definitely was a happy accident and I do like that the truck is pretty much fully leveled now.

Curious if anyone else has found the same swapping springs.
 

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That's really interesting.
We need more data. What were your front measurements before you added the springs (sorry if you posted that somewhere in the thread earlier)? That would tell us what your truck gained from the swap and if your stock height was the same as his diesel tremor. or yours was lower but you gained well more than 1" from the swap.

I'd expect diesel tremor springs to be of an adequate spring rate to get similar height to the 7.3 tremors, but they won't be exact.

Would have been interesting to have info from a 7.3 tremor on stock durations to compare and see if that diesel tremor is running lower than both the 7.3 or you are running taller than both of those tremors.
 
There'd be small variances in the compressed length of the coils once installed on the trucks. Both springs will have the same unloaded/extended length, but a diesel with 5200lbs coils would be more similar to a gasser with 4600lbs coils, so stock to stock the a gasser with 4800lbs coils will compress the spring slightly less (ie. sit a little higher) than a diesel with 600lbs more weight over the front on a 5200lbs coil. The difference should be closer to ~0.25-0.5" though.
 
@Camarox2 mentioned that my 2022 F250 FX4 7.3 GAS with tremor swapped springs looked taller that his 2022 Lariat F350 tremor DIESEL in the front.
Your F250 has a shorter rear block and no overload springs?
 
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That's really interesting.
We need more data. What were your front measurements before you added the springs (sorry if you posted that somewhere in the thread earlier)? That would tell us what your truck gained from the swap and if your stock height was the same as his diesel tremor. or yours was lower but you gained well more than 1" from the swap.

I'd expect diesel tremor springs to be of an adequate spring rate to get similar height to the 7.3 tremors, but they won't be exact.

Would have been interesting to have info from a 7.3 tremor on stock durations to compare and see if that diesel tremor is running lower than both the 7.3 or you are running taller than both of those tremors.
My guess was around 3/4" height gain from memory. Think I installed them sometime in early 2024.
Here is a picture of the current bump travel of the front passenger side. Might be easier to compare with another tremor (6.7 or 7.3 as that would be an unaffected measurement from tire size)
 

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Your F250 has a shorter rear block and no overload springs?
Here is my rear factory F250 spring pack, payload and window sticker for options. No HD spring package (Max tow/camper/snowplow options)
 

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Just wanted to provide another data point for anyone looking to do this swap. I have a 2025 F250 STX FX4 with the 6.8 gas engine. It came with 5990 snow plow prep springs and measured 26 1/4” center of hub to bottom of fender. I installed Tremor 4800lb take off springs (already broken in) and Fox 2.0 Performance Series shocks; it now measures 26 1/2” and rides amazing.
 
Good to hear.

Just an FYI, a quality coil spring does not break-in or settle. They neither sag. Just ask H&R Special Spring. They'll tell you.

When a vehicle comes down off of, say, jack stands, the suspension (which can be an independent design on either axle in anything other than strictly f/r solid axles designs like our Super Dutys or most Jeeps), the suspension has to swing on it's arc which it cannot do until the tires roll. That's what most people are thinking of when they say, "the suspension has to settle" or whatever it is.

On our trucks all we need to have happen if swapping springs is to tighten everything up once it's on the ground (ride height is where we want to tighten torsion bushing designs such as our OEM front radius arms and leaf spring shackles, for example). I've not done steering components on our trucks so I can't offer my OPINION there. Hahaha.

Cheers.
 
Good to hear.

Just an FYI, a quality coil spring does not break-in or settle. They neither sag. Just ask H&R Special Spring. They'll tell you.

When a vehicle comes down off of, say, jack stands, the suspension (which can be an independent design on either axle in anything other than strictly f/r solid axles designs like our Super Dutys or most Jeeps), the suspension has to swing on it's arc which it cannot do until the tires roll. That's what most people are thinking of when they say, "the suspension has to settle" or whatever it is.

On our trucks all we need to have happen if swapping springs is to tighten everything up once it's on the ground (ride height is where we want to tighten torsion bushing designs such as our OEM front radius arms and leaf spring shackles, for example). I've not done steering components on our trucks so I can't offer my OPINION there. Hahaha.

Cheers.
Not true. I have built about 50 offroad vehicles, everything from basic springs to $20k suspensios with King and Fox coilovers. New springs absolutely break in and settle. The only time they don’t at all is if the spring rate exceeds the vehicle’s loading, at which point you’re using the wrong spring rate for the application.
 
Just wanted to provide another data point for anyone looking to do this swap. I have a 2025 F250 STX FX4 with the 6.8 gas engine. It came with 5990 snow plow prep springs and measured 26 1/4” center of hub to bottom of fender. I installed Tremor 4800lb take off springs (already broken in) and Fox 2.0 Performance Series shocks; it now measures 26 1/2” and rides amazing.

You moved to a 1" taller spring (non-tremor to tremor) but reduced spring rate from 5990lb to 4800lb. Quite a reduction! Since the spring rate is much lower, the weight of the vehicle compresses the springs further and so you would not net the full 1" of the 1" taller Tremor spring. I'm actually surprised you gained the 1/4" that you did because 5,990lb springs, with a 6.8 gas and no snow plow or other heavy weight on the front, I'd expect to sit VERY high in the spring height. I can only imagine the stiff ride before the swap. Nice mod.
 
Not true.


Perhaps in your world. It's difficult to argue with your claimed experience.

But H&R... when I was using them stated otherwise.

Then again the market was road-going high performance automobiles, not off road racing vehicles.
 
Perhaps in your world. It's difficult to argue with your claimed experience.

But H&R... when I was using them stated otherwise.

Then again the market was road-going high performance automobiles, not off road racing vehicles.
Yes, a spring designed for sporty handling in a car application is a bit of a different story; designed with a higher spring rate and minimal travel compared to the same car with a factory suspension. If I load up my wife’s minivan with 8 people the rear suspension will compress (sag), but if I added H&R springs it would compress less. Why? It’s not that Toyota built it with a low quality spring, they built it with the correct/comfortable spring rate for 90% of the vehicle’s use case. A few years back one of my customers wanted Fox shocks on his Tacoma, he had a full steel front bumper. Stock spring rate is 600lb, I told him to order 650s. He said he liked the ride quality of the 600s, I told him the new coil overs will be maxed out on preload and still sag but the 650s will ride comfortably like the 600s under the added weight of the bumper. He declined, ordered expensive Fox coilovers with 600lb springs, they sagged and he was unhappy. It wasn’t a low quality spring, it was the wrong rate for his application.

On my personal dream build (recently sold to buy the F250) I had a set of high $$$$ extended travel Kings, dialed in perfect spring rate based on scale measurements, still settled 1/4” after a few thousand miles. I expect the F250’s 4800s will also find their final resting compressed length after a few thousand miles of cycling under various loads.
 

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"Sag" today is most used when setting up dirt bikes. I get it.

Sag on an unrestored 1965 Mustang means the rear leaf packs are shot. 😄

Your experience, again, tells a different story but a quality coil w/ a manufactured wire diameter, coil diameter, a specific free height... shouldn't change over it's lifespan, but then again those are the claims of one of the world's highest quality coils for road cars. My brief experience using H&Rs corroborates their claim, hence my comment. Different world, though.

Thanks for your detailed reply. Cheers.
 
Just wanted to provide another data point for anyone looking to do this swap. I have a 2025 F250 STX FX4 with the 6.8 gas engine. It came with 5990 snow plow prep springs and measured 26 1/4” center of hub to bottom of fender. I installed Tremor 4800lb take off springs (already broken in) and Fox 2.0 Performance Series shocks; it now measures 26 1/2” and rides amazing.
@JFX4 , my ‘24 F350 7.3 non-Tremor came with the 5990 plow springs. I’m strongly considering the Tremor coil replacement for the front. I saw that you provided measurements for hub to fender. Did you happen to get individual spring height measurements while they were not installed in the truck?
Not sure yet if I want to go with Tremor 5200lb or 5600lb. Still gaining information.
 
@JFX4 , my ‘24 F350 7.3 non-Tremor came with the 5990 plow springs. I’m strongly considering the Tremor coil replacement for the front. I saw that you provided measurements for hub to fender. Did you happen to get individual spring height measurements while they were not installed in the truck?
Not sure yet if I want to go with Tremor 5200lb or 5600lb. Still gaining information.
If you are not going to mount a Plow on your truck ever, then I would suggest you go with the Tremor 4800lb LAV spring. They may be slightly higher than your current spring but definitely much better riding overall.

The stock Gas Tremor Spring has a 4800lb rating. I would also not hesitate to going one step up from there to the 5200lb springs.

If you just go by the numbers, compared to your current 5990 springs the Tremor 5200s are 15% less stiff and the Tremor 4800s are 25% less stiff.
 
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