Fuel Pump recalls - 2020-2022 Models

[theringworm8]

Same boat, what’s your plan?

In all honesty, their reasoning and my situation don’t add up. Ordered and received mytruck prior to any delays or long sits in a rail yard/delivery lot. My truck is PRE any of this. So…..based off of that, I wouldn’t think my truck should be included in the recall. Having said that, it’s already been mentioned the latter 21’s and 22’s have the pump revision that I don’t have. Additionally we now all need a software update to fix biodiesel deposits. .

I was already getting ready to order a 25, this only moves the needle closer to me doing so. (Typically trade in every 4 years). But if I wasn’t, I would just play a long with the recalls and see what comes of it. I have a 10yr/125k extended warranty so it’s on their dime to fix it until then anyways. Without a warranty or the funds to buy new, I’d be doing an aftermarket fix as above. That’s likely the most reasonable thing to do.

I just want a new truck

 

[Lunch Box]

Do the DCR if you think it's worth it. Your cost is going to be a minor addition to labor for the additional work. After the fact it's doing double work.



DCR is going to be the diesel bitcoin for 2025. No one is going to want to stay with the CP4. Ford is going to hang people out to dry on CP4 failures w/DPK. Likely to say the DPK is the problem. Then you got the crowd that's going to try (or retry) the whole class-action lawsuit route. It's going to be on the owners 100%.

I don't necessarily agree with you, Ford not fixing cp4 failure if you have a DPK!! Particularly because the repair would be approximately 70% less cost to the dealer than a cp4 failure without one. My truck is currently under warranty, "IF" I have a cp4 failure my Tremor WILL NOT GO TO THE DEALER, I will have a DCR installed!! I personally believe this software update correcting "bio diesel" deposits is ridiculous . Until I hear more details that cooperates this alleged correction I will not be doing it.

 

[Lunch Box]

QUESTION!!!!


Has anyone on this forum experienced a CP4 FAILURE that had a DIASTER PREVENTION KIT installed when the CP4 failed???? Please respond with details, THANK YOU!!

 

[JTredway]

It’s in the App already. I did my DCR for peace of mind after having and what I thought leaving fuel issues behind coming from 3 powerstroke 6.0s. I did it too bc the dealers around me are mostly a pita and absolutely would’ve just been like welp crap fuel. I’ve had to pushback and escalate matters a few times with them (yes i was being polite sometimes you get more flies with honey than shit). Coming up on a year with my DCR in February.

 

[Lunch Box]

QUESTION!!!!


Has anyone on this forum experienced a CP4 FAILURE that had a DIASTER PREVENTION KIT installed when the CP4 failed???? Please respond with details, THANK YOU!!

 

[pkrexer]

No recalls are showing up for my truck yet I have a late production 22'

 

[Vermonster]

No recalls are showing up for my truck yet I have a late production 22'

Same!! So this is getting more normal then. Maybe we will come later … not sure. I hope we already are running updates software.

 

[TremorKR]

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It’s in the App already. I did my DCR for peace of mind after having and what I thought leaving fuel issues behind coming from 3 powerstroke 6.0s. I did it too bc the dealers around me are mostly a pita and absolutely would’ve just been like welp crap fuel. I’ve had to pushback and escalate matters a few times with them (yes i was being polite sometimes you get more flies with honey than shit). Coming up on a year with my DCR in February.

Sometimes comprehensive auto insurance will cover bad fuel.

 

[adrummingdude]

Does anyone have a read on if the current RP8 version of CP4 is still problematic?

It’s interesting that with all the DPK/DCR chatter throughout this thread, nobody is discussing the differences between RP7 and RP8 in any greater detail.

I would assume all the upkeep etiquette (draining separator, fuel additive, etc) still applies, but does the RP8 fail at the same clip as the RP7?

 

[HeavyAssault]

@adrummingdude : From Ford

On August 23, 2021, the RP7 pump was replaced in production with the RP8 variant,
which implemented a design robustness action that increased the pump´s roller shoe and
tappet body clearances for improved fuel flow to increase cooling in the tappet area.

 

[Lunch Box]

Does anyone have a read on if the current RP8 version of CP4 is still problematic?

It’s interesting that with all the DPK/DCR chatter throughout this thread, nobody is discussing the differences between RP7 and RP8 in any greater detail.

I would assume all the upkeep etiquette (draining separator, fuel additive, etc) still applies, but does the RP8 fail at the same clip as the RP7?

At what "clip" is the RP7 failing? 95% of cp4 failures are the result of driver/ owner error.(def in fuel,gas in fuel, water in fuel, contamination from bad fuel at the pump) just saying the problem is not necessarily as widespread as is being perceived!

 

[BroncOh]

My truck was built 2 days after the recall window. May have been a few engines in transit with the RP7 still.

 

[stevejax]

2021 model year
Production date of 11/18/2020
Delivered to dealer on 12/12/2020

Details of the recall per my VIN below
Truck never sat, will be interesting to see what Ford comes up with.

 

[adrummingdude]

At what "clip" is the RP7 failing? 95% of cp4 failures are the result of driver/ owner error.(def in fuel,gas in fuel, water in fuel, contamination from bad fuel at the pump) just saying the problem is not necessarily as widespread as is being perceived!

I’m not contending the percentage of or speaking to unrealistic expectations of RP7 failure, as aside from there being plenty of known instances where it has, those true numbers are likely only known by a few. Rather asking if RP8 is known to be more robust.

 

[Lunch Box]

I’m not contending the percentage of or speaking to unrealistic expectations of RP7 failure, as aside from there being plenty of known instances where it has, those true numbers are likely only known by a few. Rather asking if RP8 is known to be more robust.

Im only contending the failure rate is not what most think it is. I never even heard of this RP8 until this recall came to light! I'm also suspect of why Ford would even release the recall without a remedy ready to go. All that does is cause anxiety. ie, this thread!!

 

[Grabber]

The other thing that doesn't make sense here, is Ford has been using CP4 since 2011 in all 6.7l, so why are they not included in this recall. You mean to tell me that these owners couldn't have gotten bad BIO diesel during covid? Makes no sense. And what is a program update going to do, if there are deposits on the pump.

 

[Lunch Box]

The other thing that doesn't make sense here, is Ford has been using CP4 since 2011 in all 6.7l, so why are they not included in this recall. You mean to tell me that these owners couldn't have gotten bad BIO diesel during covid? Makes no sense. And what is a program update going to do, if there are deposits on the pump.

You are on point!

 

[adrummingdude]

The other thing that doesn't make sense here, is Ford has been using CP4 since 2011 in all 6.7l, so why are they not included in this recall. You mean to tell me that these owners couldn't have gotten bad BIO diesel during covid? Makes no sense. And what is a program update going to do, if there are deposits on the pump.

FWIW, Ford doesn’t exactly have a stellar track record for doing the right thing as it relates to recalls. Does anyone remember the dual clutch transmission in the Focus and Fiesta debacle? They got absolutely nailed on that one once the internal chatter amongst executives became known.

 

[Winterized]

Im only contending the failure rate is not what most think it is. I never even heard of this RP8 until this recall came to light! I'm also suspect of why Ford would even release the recall without a remedy ready to go. All that does is cause anxiety. ie, this thread!!

This is not at all uncommon for Ford.

My '21 F-150 has the recall for potentially brittle intake valves that can snap off and destroy the engine. The recall has been sitting in Ford Pass since September, listing the solution as engine valve inspection but saying "recall incomplete, remedy not yet available".

I'm not overly worried since information from the interwebs suggests that the failures that happened were usually within the first few thousand miles, almost all within 8k and I'm well beyond that but I need to press my local dealer if an inspection is all that's needed and can be done now. Factory warranty is almost up, though I have some sort of extended. Need to dig up the details on that.

I just got an email from Ford yesterday out of the blue that my '25 F-150 Tremor is built. I want this crap resolved in the next few weeks while I figure out if I'm driving to Granger to trade in or just flying over and driving one way back.

 

[HeavyAssault]

The other thing that doesn't make sense here, is Ford has been using CP4 since 2011 in all 6.7l, so why are they not included in this recall. You mean to tell me that these owners couldn't have gotten bad BIO diesel during covid? Makes no sense. And what is a program update going to do, if there are deposits on the pump.

1) Bad Bio-Diesel : It's not necessarily "bad bio-diesel", but the reported results of the bio-diesel sitting inside the mechanical internals of the HPFP. To which understanding the long term chemistry of bio-diesel and how it breaks down itself is important to understand the bigger picture. YES...It's possible it was a bad source of bio-diesel with a bad formula. Likely a part of the overall problem, not necessarily the most wanted suspect.
2) PCM Programming : Given the unknown makeup of the "bio-diesel deposits" we can only guess that the fuel needed is to cool the HPFP due to higher friction of the internals. So is the tuning going to somehow increase flow through or to the HPFP hence allowing a better effect?? That's the magic formula question we all want to read about.

Epilogue :
In the end listen and listen good everyone......while we as owners have known of the HPFP "problems" Ford has just whispered in our ear. We will not have any more answers until the information comes out. If that comes from Ford we will dissect it as usual. If the info comes from "other sources" we will dissect it as well. Until we have actual from-the-field info post-PCM tuning and any under-hood repairs we can't say what's going to happen, how it's effecting the truck, what's the long term changes.etc etc etc .

Stay tuned, talk, and share your resources!!