Tremor Payload??

[raydulce]

First, a huge thank-you for everyone who posted on this thread. I learned a lot. I'm also thrilled to know you can order these trucks with different GVWR ratings. I definitely also need to learn more about the re-rate process through Ford though!

A quick note -- and please keep in mind I only got through about 5 or 6 pages of the thread total. The 10,000 GVWR is offered by Ford for a really good reason. If you drive a truck that is RATED over 10,001 lbs, and are "on the clock" or making money in any way, per the DOT you are commercial and a whole new set of rules come into play. So if you commute from home to work, no problem as your not on the clock. But if you drive from one job site to another and you're "on the clock" -- big, big problem.

If you're retired or if the truck is ONLY used for personal reasons -- never associated with a work site, then you can get the higher rated trucks. If you visit work sites, that higher rating will put you in a whole different world.

I'm not a fan, but it is what it is.

Check out FMCSA.dot.gov

 

[2020Tremor]

First, a huge thank-you for everyone who posted on this thread. I learned a lot. I'm also thrilled to know you can order these trucks with different GVWR ratings. I definitely also need to learn more about the re-rate process through Ford though!

A quick note -- and please keep in mind I only got through about 5 or 6 pages of the thread total. The 10,000 GVWR is offered by Ford for a really good reason. If you drive a truck that is RATED over 10,001 lbs, and are "on the clock" or making money in any way, per the DOT you are commercial and a whole new set of rules come into play. So if you commute from home to work, no problem as your not on the clock. But if you drive from one job site to another and you're "on the clock" -- big, big problem.

If you're retired or if the truck is ONLY used for personal reasons -- never associated with a work site, then you can get the higher rated trucks. If you visit work sites, that higher rating will put you in a whole different world.

I'm not a fan, but it is what it is.

Check out FMCSA.dot.gov

Yes the rules are in PATA, also note that is for interstate, if intrastate commerce then your state rules will apply. Also good to be aware of your state’s rules as well since could differ some from the Fed when not interstate.

There are some exceptions for farming and other special cases but pretty much if you are in commerce and cross state lines then going to need to deal with a Fed rules and registrations over the 10,001 GWR or GCWR if towing. By the rules many 1/2 tons with a medium trailer would actually have to comply as well, but likely to not going to draw as much attention to a DOT officer.

I like having the respectable 3800Lb payload of the F350 but adds a whole different set of complications to be aware of.

 

[raydulce]

Yes the rules are in PATA, also note that is for interstate, if intrastate commerce then your state rules will apply. Also good to be aware of your state’s rules as well since could differ some from the Fed when not interstate.

There are some exceptions for farming and other special cases but pretty much if you are in commerce and cross state lines then going to need to deal with a Fed rules and registrations over the 10,001 GWR or GCWR if towing. By the rules many 1/2 tons with a medium trailer would actually have to comply as well, but likely to not going to draw as much attention to a DOT officer.

I like having the respectable 3800Lb payload of the F350 but adds a whole different set of complications to be aware of.

I agree. Typically this matters for crossings state lines. In my state though, some rules apply no matter what, if you're doing business and rated over 10,001. Even more rules apply after a 150 mile radius from home. Then almost all rules apply if you cross a state line. It's a massive headache for a F-250.

With people like me who want to be able to haul a personal camper on the weekends, yet use the truck as a daily driver (including to a job site) this 10,001 rule seems a bit low. 12,001 would be more reasonable!

 

[2020Tremor]

I agree. Typically this matters for crossings state lines. In my state though, some rules apply no matter what, if you're doing business and rated over 10,001. Even more rules apply after a 150 mile radius from home. Then almost all rules apply if you cross a state line. It's a massive headache for a F-250.

With people like me who want to be able to haul a personal camper on the weekends, yet use the truck as a daily driver (including to a job site) this 10,001 rule seems a bit low. 12,001 would be more reasonable!

I also wish the number was higher than 10K.

 

[MJLonghors]

What does de-rating means? Is this solely a labeling/documentation process or mechanically something is changed? I'm working on ordering a Tremor. What is the basic configuration I need to select to get the highest payload possible? I looking for a F350 Tremor. I want to put a truck camper (around 4k lbs) on the truck bed.

 

[ccw]

What does de-rating means? Is this solely a labeling/documentation process or mechanically something is changed?

Purely labeling. It adjusts the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) down, but changes nothing else about the vehicle. It's done for legal reasons as certain laws, regulations, fees, etc. change once GVWR exceeds a certain value.

 

[MJLonghors]

Purely labeling. It adjusts the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) down, but changes nothing else about the vehicle. It's done for legal reasons as certain laws, regulations, fees, etc. change once GVWR exceeds a certain value.

Purely labeling. It adjusts the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) down, but changes nothing else about the vehicle. It's done for legal reasons as certain laws, regulations, fees, etc. change once GVWR exceeds a certain value.

Just read the Ford RV and Trailer towing guide, unfortunately, I'm not able to decipher the payload capacity or rather how to order a F350 Tremor with max payload. Any idea?

 

[Modman]

What is the basic configuration I need to select to get the highest payload possible? I looking for a F350 Tremor.

1) Start with a 7.3l F350 at full GVWR (no derating - 10k, etc).
2) Select as few options as possible. Everything you adds lowers your rated payload capacity - moon roof, power running boards, dual alts/batteries, bed liner, etc.

Of course, you can make pragmatic decisions for things you can't live without, just making the point above.

 

[Modman]

how to order a F350 Tremor with max payload

Once you commit to a Tremor you limit your max other than what I stated above. Non Tremor can work bed length, cab config, etc into the equation. All Tremors are short bed, crew cab, 4x4.

 

[ccw]

Just read the Ford RV and Trailer towing guide, unfortunately, I'm not able to decipher the payload capacity or rather how to order a F350 Tremor with max payload. Any idea?

What Modman said.

Remember, payload capacity is simply what's left of GVWR after taking away the curb weight of the truck. Anything that adds to the curb weight, takes away payload capacity given the same GVWR. Options add weight, which means they reduce payload.

I recommend taking a read through the "Payload" section of my guide. It walks through, in detail, what payload capacity and all the terms surrounding it are, as well as how to estimate what your payload capacity will be:

Towing and Payload Rating Guide

For a quick reference table for the Tremor numbers, check out @soop’s The TREMOR Towing Table. To get a rough idea of how much weight you'll have on each axle when loaded, checkout @shermanator2's Weight and Balance spreadsheet. I have seen many questions come up in various threads both on...

www.fordtremor.com

 

[Modman]

Remember, payload capacity is simply what's left of GVWR after taking away the curb weight of the truck. Anything that adds to the curb weight, takes away payload capacity given the same GVWR. Options add weight, which means they reduce payload.

Good point. Even after the fact - if, for instance, you decide to get a spray in liner after you take deliver that still counts against your GVWR and therefore your payload.

I'll also add that the highest payload I recall seeing on a F350 Tremor was just under ~4100lbs, although that may have been an XLT which is no longer available.

 

[LT75]

This confused me when I first bought the truck. I chose the F250. But I thought it was the same set up as a F350 which has 3600 pounds of Payload. But the F250 only has 2600 pounds of payload. Is it just a number? Can the F250 do 3600 pounds?

 

[Modman]

This confused me when I first bought the truck. I chose the F250. But I thought it was the same set up as a F350 which has 3600 pounds of Payload. But the F250 only has 2600 pounds of payload. Is it just a number? Can the F250 do 3600 pounds?

Correct, don't confuse capability with legal rating. An F250 and F350 configured the same and as Tremors have no difference in hardware and thus, the same actual capability. The legal payload sticker will read lower on the F250 since it has a lower GVWR.

 

[NL-Tremor]

What does de-rating means? Is this solely a labeling/documentation process or mechanically something is changed? I'm working on ordering a Tremor. What is the basic configuration I need to select to get the highest payload possible? I looking for a F350 Tremor. I want to put a truck camper (around 4k lbs) on the truck bed.

A 4000lb truck camper is too heavy for any Tremor (legally anyway). That's a lot of weight. You need to consider everything else you'll be carrying as well (such as passengers, gear, etc.).

 

[ccw]

A 4000lb truck camper is too heavy for any Tremor (legally anyway). That's a lot of weight. You need to consider everything else you'll be carrying as well (such as passengers, gear, etc.).

Oh ya I missed that part. 100% a 4,000 pound camper is too much for any Tremor if you want to stay within the rated payload capacity.

Once you're loaded down with gear and passengers, I would be surprised if you could fit within the payload capacity of any SRW truck. IMO a 4,000 pound camper is dually territory.

 

[MJLonghors]

Correct, don't confuse capability with legal rating. An F250 and F350 configured the same and as Tremors have no difference in hardware and thus, the same actual capability. The legal payload sticker will read lower on the F250 since it has a lower GVWR.

That's what I figured I have to go with F350 to get the sticker/documentation certification for ease of mind and legal protection.

 

[MJLonghors]

Oh ya I missed that part. 100% a 4,000 pound camper is too much for any Tremor if you want to stay within the rated payload capacity.

Once you're loaded down with gear and passengers, I would be surprised if you could fit within the payload capacity of any SRW truck. IMO a 4,000 pound camper is dually territory.

Well, the dry weight of the camper is 2,900 lbs and the wet weight is 3,880 lbs. I'm going to swap out the tires to F rated tires and will need to mod the suspension... Then again, probably not get as much bang for my buck getting the Tremor package.

 

[Modman]

Oh ya I missed that part

Me too!

 

[ccw]

Well, the dry weight of the camper is 2,900 lbs and the wet weight is 3,880 lbs. I'm going to swap out the tires to F rated tires and will need to mod the suspension... Then again, probably not get as much bang for my buck getting the Tremor package.

A few things to remember:

1. Wet weight doesn't include all of your stuff. Just water, batteries, and anything else directly camper related. Don't underestimate how much your stuff will weigh, including clothes, yourself, passengers, food, drinks, tools, toys/gear, truck modifications, etc. That can easily add up to an extra 1000 pounds or more, though only you can calculate it.
2. You don't know what the limiting factor is for the GVWR (unless you de-rate, in which case it's the de-rate). It could be the frame, shocks, axles, differential, etc. In the case of the Tremor we know it isn't the tires, which are E rated, as they are already significantly overrated for the front and rear GAWR (4080 pounds for each tire when fully inflated). Upgrading suspension and tires doesn't increase the rated payload capacity, as you don't know what caused it to be set there in the first place.
3. Campers put the weight up high, so the truck will handle the weight worse than that much weight at the bottom of the bed.

Ultimately your call for what to do, but IMO you'll be on the edge of what a SRW truck is capable of with that setup. Dually would be the sweet spot.

 

[MJLonghors]

A few things to remember:

1. Wet weight doesn't include all of your stuff. Just water, batteries, and anything else directly camper related. Don't underestimate how much your stuff will weigh, including clothes, yourself, passengers, food, drinks, tools, toys/gear, truck modifications, etc. That can easily add up to an extra 1000 pounds or more, though only you can calculate it.
2. You don't know what the limiting factor is for the GVWR (unless you de-rate, in which case it's the de-rate). It could be the frame, shocks, axles, differential, etc. In the case of the Tremor we know it isn't the tires, which are E rated, as they are already significantly overrated for the front and rear GAWR (4080 pounds for each tire when fully inflated). Upgrading suspension and tires doesn't increase the rated payload capacity, as you don't know what caused it to be set there in the first place.
3. Campers put the weight up high, so the truck will handle the weight worse than that much weight at the bottom of the bed.

Ultimately your call for what to do, but IMO you'll be on the edge of what a SRW truck is capable of with that setup. Dually would be the sweet spot.

Thank you for your thoughts. I've been trying to avoid a DRW as I'm concerned with drivability (off-roading/overlanding and getting rocks and mud stuck btw the wheels/tires). Your points are very valid and is alarming to me...