The TREMOR Towing Table

[TremorDoc]

Where did you find the number for the gooseneck? Is it the stamped rating on your ball or is it on the bracket under the truck. Do you have a factory system or aftermarket?

 

[RyanP]

that's not the gooseneck hitch, that's the bumper pull hitch so it will be different

 

[Anthonyb]

If anyone Is Interested. According to the 23 trailer towing guide pg. 29 & 30. F-350 Tremor (foot note 3) with 7.3 and 4.30 gears.
GCVWR 28,600 GVWR 11,400 conv trailer max cap 18,200 5er/GN 21,000.

 

[2020Tremor]

If anyone Is Interested. According to the 23 trailer towing guide pg. 29 & 30. F-350 Tremor (foot note 3) with 7.3 and 4.30 gears.
GCVWR 28,600 GVWR 11,400 conv trailer max cap 18,200 5er/GN 21,000.

Please note that is max lightest available optioned truck. The Ford is finally is offering a better reference that takes into actual payload using a vin and selecting calculator mid way down the page.

https://www.ford.com/support/?emailid=FD_%20TRUCK%20TOWING%20EXPERIENCE%20EM_F-350%20OWN&cid=PRODDM981993&bid=1959464574

Unfortunately need a vin for this to work but amazing how quick max #s 5er/goose can go down with normal opened truck passengers and gear.

 

[Anthonyb]

Please note that is max lightest available optioned truck. The Ford is finally is offering a better reference that takes into actual payload using a vin and selecting calculator mid way down the page.

https://www.ford.com/support/?emailid=FD_%20TRUCK%20TOWING%20EXPERIENCE%20EM_F-350%20OWN&cid=PRODDM981993&bid=1959464574

Unfortunately need a vin for this to work but amazing how quick max #s 5er/goose can go down with normal opened truck passengers and gear.

Yeah I know right. Luckily I will be the only passenger(100 lbs)and I only have 800 pounds of food ,clothing,cooking supplies, prospecting gear and fuel(360#) in the toyhauler and 299 pounds for the 5th wheel hitch only thing in the bed. Fresh water tank will be filled prior to arriving at camp site. Rv is a GD MOMENTUM 320G 34' 16800 GVWR 12480 empty wt and 2800# pin weight includes generator, batteries solar prep etc. But of course I won't know for sure until I get a vin# to look up the actual payload capacity of my build.

 

[DTruck]

This table simplifies and clarifies the Ford Towing Guide strictly for Tremor variants:

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FOOTNOTES:

• These numbers currently reflect 2021-2022 models.
• Derate options (like the 11400# package) are not shown here and will reduce these numbers proportional to the GVWR in this table versus your derate.
• Please see @ccw's Towing and Payload Rating Guide if any of the terms or relationships in this table are unclear.
• Please reply here if you spot any discrepancies or areas for improvement.
• Maximum Trailer Weight is legally restricted by the GCWR Limit, or the CDL limit if applicable (non-RV, non-AG, or CDL license.)

CHANGELOG:

• V4 - Removed Base Curb Weight and Max Cargo Weight to reduce potential for confusion for now.
• V5 - Updated for 2022.
• V6 - Added GCWR and CDL trailer weight limitations

I realize this is an old post, but thought I would throw this info in there just in case somebody stumbles upon it like I did. This is great information and thank you so much for putting it together. It’s really helpful to find all of this in one spot.

One note I wanted to add regarding CDL, towing weight, in California. You have to have a class A CDL for towing over 10,000 pounds regardless of gross combined weight rating.

 

[TremorHopeful]

I realize this is an old post, but thought I would throw this info in there just in case somebody stumbles upon it like I did. This is great information and thank you so much for putting it together. It’s really helpful to find all of this in one spot.

One note I wanted to add regarding CDL, towing weight, in California. You have to have a class A CDL for towing over 10,000 pounds regardless of gross combined weight rating.

I'm pretty sure that only applies if your GCWR is over 26000 lbs.

• Commercial A: Any legal combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 pounds or more, provided the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
• Commercial B: Any single vehicle with a GVWR of more than 26,000 pounds, any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR, or a 3-axle vehicle weighing over 6,000 pounds.

That's copy/pasted from the dmv.gov website

 

[oops]

I realize this is an old post, but thought I would throw this info in there just in case somebody stumbles upon it like I did. This is great information and thank you so much for putting it together. It’s really helpful to find all of this in one spot.

Thanks for saying that. You're welcome.

One note I wanted to add regarding CDL, towing weight, in California. You have to have a class A CDL for towing over 10,000 pounds regardless of gross combined weight rating.

Good callout.

I'm pretty sure that only applies if your GCWR is over 26000 lbs.

I don't believe so. It is my understanding that one cannot tow anything over 10K# in California without a Class A license, as @DTruck suggested, or an agricultural endorsement. (With the exception of a 5th wheel travel trailer which can be up to 15K#.) Here are the instructions from the DMV website I'm referencing:

This is why in California many trailer dealers that will sell to non-commercial entities derate their entire inventory to 9999#, 9990#, or 9900# if they're really conservative. Here's an example of such a dealer. Here's a 17K trailer derated to 10K.

It's also why you'll rarely see heavy equipment (something larger than a small tractor, skid-steer, or mini-excavator) behind a pickup truck and will most often see mid-sized machines on flat beds in agricultural areas.

Still, in a pinch, I like knowing precisely what the truck is rated to do regardless of what California wants me to do. And I do see guys in a pinch on the road with some regularity.

 

[TremorHopeful]

Thanks for saying that. You're welcome.


Good callout.



I don't believe so. It is my understanding that one cannot tow anything over 10K# in California without a Class A license, as @DTruck suggested, or an agricultural endorsement. (With the exception of a 5th wheel travel trailer which can be up to 15K#.) Here are the instructions from the DMV website I'm referencing:

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This is why in California many trailer dealers that will sell to non-commercial entities derate their entire inventory to 9999#, 9990#, or 9900# if they're really conservative. Here's an example of such a dealer. Here's a 17K trailer derated to 10K.

It's also why you'll rarely see heavy equipment (something larger than a small tractor, skid-steer, or mini-excavator) behind a pickup truck and will most often see mid-sized machines on flat beds in agricultural areas.

Still, in a pinch, I like knowing precisely what the truck is rated to do regardless of what California wants me to do. And I do see guys in a pinch on the road with some regularity.

Yeah I guess you're right! I never really put much thought into it because I have had a commercial class A for years before I ever got into travel trailers/5th wheel towing. I'd guess that would put at least half of Class C weekend warriors in the illegal category. I wonder how that compares to most other states?

 

[Modman]

Thanks for saying that. You're welcome.


Good callout.



I don't believe so. It is my understanding that one cannot tow anything over 10K# in California without a Class A license, as @DTruck suggested, or an agricultural endorsement. (With the exception of a 5th wheel travel trailer which can be up to 15K#.) Here are the instructions from the DMV website I'm referencing:

View attachment 126385

This is why in California many trailer dealers that will sell to non-commercial entities derate their entire inventory to 9999#, 9990#, or 9900# if they're really conservative. Here's an example of such a dealer. Here's a 17K trailer derated to 10K.

It's also why you'll rarely see heavy equipment (something larger than a small tractor, skid-steer, or mini-excavator) behind a pickup truck and will most often see mid-sized machines on flat beds in agricultural areas.

Still, in a pinch, I like knowing precisely what the truck is rated to do regardless of what California wants me to do. And I do see guys in a pinch on the road with some regularity.

This is why like the specs on the F250 Tremor. 10k GVWR, 24.9K GVWR. My TT is 10k as well

For me it works perfectly and if I go to any of these outlier states (there are others besides CA) I am setup as good as can be expected. I realize others need more legal capacity, and I get that, but I did not so this seemed to be a sweet spot for my needs.

 

[TheJ2020]

This is why like the specs on the F250 Tremor. 10k GVWR, 24.9K GVWR. My TT is 10k as well

For me it works perfectly and if I go to any of these outlier states (there are others besides CA) I am setup as good as can be expected. I realize others need more legal capacity, and I get that, but I did not so this seemed to be a sweet spot for my needs.

I'm pretty sure it's based on your home state (where your vehicle/TT is registered). That's why you can drive in states requiring front licenses plates without one because your home state doesn't require it. So it doesn't matter what California's requirements are (if you don't live there), as long as you're abiding by your home state's requirements (where you have them registered).

 

[Modman]

I'm pretty sure it's based on your home state (where your vehicle/TT is registered). That's why you can drive in states requiring front licenses plates without one because your home state doesn't require it. So it doesn't matter what California's requirements are (if you don't live there), as long as you're abiding by your home state's requirements (where you have them registered).

Yes I believe that is correct for CA. For me it was a no brainier - 250 worked for me. I can't claim to have researched every single state but didn't feel compelled either.

 

[DTruck]

Thanks for saying that. You're welcome.


Good callout.



I don't believe so. It is my understanding that one cannot tow anything over 10K# in California without a Class A license, as @DTruck suggested, or an agricultural endorsement. (With the exception of a 5th wheel travel trailer which can be up to 15K#.) Here are the instructions from the DMV website I'm referencing:

View attachment 126385

This is why in California many trailer dealers that will sell to non-commercial entities derate their entire inventory to 9999#, 9990#, or 9900# if they're really conservative. Here's an example of such a dealer. Here's a 17K trailer derated to 10K.

It's also why you'll rarely see heavy equipment (something larger than a small tractor, skid-steer, or mini-excavator) behind a pickup truck and will most often see mid-sized machines on flat beds in agricultural areas.

Still, in a pinch, I like knowing precisely what the truck is rated to do regardless of what California wants me to do. And I do see guys in a pinch on the road with some regularity.

Thanks @oops for posting that from the DMV site, I actually downloaded the same thing to post. The reality is they don't make it quite as clear as it should be in my opinion. Especially when there are variances for travel trailers, Ag etc... However, unfortunately it is indeed true.

I tow a Mobile Stage for work that weighs over 10,000 and was required to get the CDL A. Trust me, I looked into it heavily. I already had a commercial B and thought that would suffice since a Class A is a whole different ball game. I realize this is commercial situation so you are required to anyway but even as a noncommercial class A I'm not totally sure what you can do here if you are towing say a dump trailer or your personal backhoe on a flatbed, if it isn't commercial. It pretty specifically says travel trailer over 10k.

 

[TremorHopeful]

I'm pretty sure it's based on your home state (where your vehicle/TT is registered). That's why you can drive in states requiring front licenses plates without one because your home state doesn't require it. So it doesn't matter what California's requirements are (if you don't live there), as long as you're abiding by your home state's requirements (where you have them registered).

47. Laws about securing loads and regulating CMV weights may vary from state to state. During
interstate travel:
> The law of the state the vehicle is in takes precedence.
Commercial vehicle weight, securement of cargo, covering of loads, and where large
vehicles can be driven are all regulated by federal, state, and local laws. These vary from
place to place, so you must be aware of the rules that apply where you will be driving.
State laws in the state in which you are driving take precedence.

I pulled that from the California commercial CDL written test guide. Granted that could as always be completely wrong but It's a potential question pulled straight from the written test.

 

[TheJ2020]

47. Laws about securing loads and regulating CMV weights may vary from state to state. During
interstate travel:
> The law of the state the vehicle is in takes precedence.
Commercial vehicle weight, securement of cargo, covering of loads, and where large
vehicles can be driven are all regulated by federal, state, and local laws. These vary from
place to place, so you must be aware of the rules that apply where you will be driving.
State laws in the state in which you are driving take precedence.

I pulled that from the California commercial CDL written test guide. Granted that could as always be completely wrong but It's a potential question pulled straight from the written test.

Yeah, but if you're not required to have a CDL for a TT for personal use in your home state, then you aren't a commercial vehicle operator when traveling through a different state. What you listed above applies to CMVs, not personal use.

 

[TremorHopeful]

Yeah, but if you're not required to have a CDL for a TT for personal use in your home state, then you aren't a commercial vehicle operator when traveling through a different state. What you listed above applies to CMVs, not personal use.

You're right, but you'll still be limited to 26000#s for the vehicle combination's gross weight ratings. All these stupid nanny state laws are ridiculous and overly broad. The link below spells it all out pretty clearly.

https://www.chp.ca.gov/CommercialVe... License Requirements for Towing Trailers.pdf

 

[TheJ2020]

You're right, but you'll still be limited to 26000#s for the vehicle combination's gross weight ratings. All these stupid nanny state laws are ridiculous and overly broad. The link below spells it all out pretty clearly.

https://www.chp.ca.gov/CommercialVehicleSectionSite/Documents/IB California Driver License Requirements for Towing Trailers.pdf

Couldn't agree more!

 

[soulezoo]

I will say this.... CA almost never enforces any of those requirements. I see obvious violations almost every day. If something happens, then yeah...

BTW, and most embarrassingly because CA DMV is a total clown show, , I have to admit I was employed by them for nearly 20 years. Don't blame me, I just ran the print shop.

On edit, both my Dodge 3500 and Tremor 250 are 9900 lb vehicles. My fiver is 9990 lbs dry. All by no accident.

 

[cadcam1]

Yeah, for my 7.3L 4.30 250 the max cargo weight from the guide is 2102. My sticker is 2874. The short-lived Ford VIN Calculator also said 2874 Max Payload.

My 2020 tremor Lariat 2845 max - 7.3 gas 4.30

 

[trmrzla]

Just joined and resurrecting this thread. I have read through this and searched the forum but not finding what I need. I have a JAMCO 1997 Gooseneck Horse Trailer. I currently tow with a 2003 F250 7.3L DIesel. It has been great. Parts are getting hard to find and I am reaching the point I really need to consider replacing my truck (270K miles). My concern is the height of the vehicles now. I found a truck through Carmax, a 2022 F250. I know nothing about current packages. Found the original sales sticker and checked the towing options. Seemed fine. Then I started googling TREMOR and I am not so sure. I need measurements. Seems these trucks may be anywhere from 38 to 42" in ground to bed base height? Bed Depth is around 21.5"? My 2003 is 36" from ground to bed base. My current hitch on the trailer is set at 26" which I can move up/down. I feel like shortening so the trailer is level will make the height between neck and bed too small. Trying to figure out what do I measure to make sure I can tow my trailer with this 2022 F250 Tremor and not hit the walls or tailgate of the truck (8" clearance between neck and bed), plus not have such a slant on the trailer that my horse has most of the weight on back set of axles in the trailer. This truck may be a bad option for my trailer. My trailer is 3500lbs empty and when I hook up to my 2003 the rear drops about 3". That may not happen with the TREMOR? Anyone have any advice? thank you.

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