I had plans to buy the intake as well when it was first announced but from what I've gathered the juice isn't worth the squeeze short of gaining more turbo noise. Most days I want things quiet, I guess that's just part of getting older.
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I have the S&B cold air intake on my Jeep. My brother persuaded me that it was worth doing even if it did nothing to improve performance, because converting the decorative hood vents to functional ones would lower temps under the hood. I suspect that’s true. There’s no performance improvement, of course, and I have to watch the filter more closely, but the hood vents do work. I wouldn’t do it again.
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Cause you are only focused on an intake, and filter. That's only PART of the system that needs improvements.
Just like people wasting money on a Pedal plug-in device. Yea...it's a placebo as well.
Umm ok not sure what this statement was about other than to show a pic of a jeep lol
Cause you are only focused on an intake, and filter. That's only PART of the system that needs improvements.
Just like people wasting money on a Pedal plug-in device. Yea...it's a placebo as well.
Pedal plug in devices certainly don’t add power and performance.. They do change the way the pedal input is interpreted, thus changing the driving experience. Worth it, idk.. Placebo, definitely not..
You are correct, they do not add HP or torque, but they do eliminate most to all of the lag/delay at the pedal. Would not have a diesel without it.
My question to all of those with/without Banks/S&B intakes that say they don’t make a difference over stock is this: have you measured for and increase in performance or lack thereof? I have the Banks on my 6.7. Considerable difference in noise, mostly front right side of the grill where the air is being sucked in. I can HEAR there is more air being drawn in. Ever so slight noise increase in the cab as well. I have NOT thrown my truck on the dyno to confirm if Gale Banks is true to his word. I trust a product engineer when he says I “could” be receiving up to 36% more mass airflow over the stock set up. I know he is also a salesman but if it was false the product would have never made it to market or he would be getting sued for false advertisement.
Am I getting those numbers? Again, I haven’t tested it but I think even the most mechanically inept folks can take a look at the stock filter element vs the Banks (or S&B) and tell there there is less airflow restriction.
We can argue about this all day long but unless you’ve got the numbers to counter what Gale is saying, I’ll take his word over yours.
Just my $.02.
Am I getting those numbers? Again, I haven’t tested it but I think even the most mechanically inept folks can take a look at the stock filter element vs the Banks (or S&B) and tell there there is less airflow restriction.
We can argue about this all day long but unless you’ve got the numbers to counter what Gale is saying, I’ll take his word over yours.
Just my $.02.
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I agree with your .02!! Especially if the application is a diesel. Air flow is king with any engine, but diesel for sure. Air flow with Banks or S&B is much better than OEM, but performance gains are debatable. Now if you have other mods like piping, egr delete etc your gains are no longer debatable!
I put the Banks kit on back before the weather got too cold. I was mostly looking for noise improvements. You can hear the air being sucked in a lot more, even in the cab, but not much more from the turbo itself. Not sure how much can be gained with the DPF still intact. Maybe I'll look into the Pusher pipes like other people on here have. But wow is that engine bay tight.
Given how huge the air filter is and how the air box is open on the bottom, I'm sure it is less restrictive than stock. My only concern is if it would be detrimental to the water fording ability.
Given how huge the air filter is and how the air box is open on the bottom, I'm sure it is less restrictive than stock. My only concern is if it would be detrimental to the water fording ability.
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If you are fording water deep enough to enter your Banks, you will have many other issues to worry about. You need a piping kit to achieve the other goals you seek.
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Sorry, I thought I was clear. The Jeep has an S&B CAI in it. That’s my best effort at showing the hood vents I described in my post (from the outside), and the S&B ducting from the vent to the filter under the hood.
I’m not much of a photographer, and I’m even worse at manipulating images to make things obvious.
They need to breathe, for sure. The main question is whether they’re not getting all the air they can use with the factory filter.
I believe they’re getting all they can use through the factory filter. That was confirmed, for me anyway, when the turbo-diesels in Spicer’s tests were dynoed with and without factory air filters. With no filter at all, and therefore zero intake resistance, the hp/torque numbers didn’t improve. Easier air intake isn’t what they needed to make more power.
What clearly DOES make a difference is the tune — increasing fuel rate, and boost make a significant, measurable, repeatable difference. That’s true with or without fussing with the intake and exhaust. Intake will eventually have to be modified, but only when the fueling rate challenges the capacity of the existing air intake system — and that’s a long way from where most of us are today.
This is a Banks-Produced advertisement. Anybody surprised who wins?
Since you’re taking Gale’s word, as we did for years, please run several performance tests — quarter mile, zero to 60, pulling, whatever — before you bolt it on. Then please run the same series of tests afterwards. That’s what my brother and I did (backwards). We found no measurable difference. Please let us know how it goes — but our real world experience maps with Spicer’s dyno results in his independent testing. (Can’t remember if Banks was among those tested, but there was a large pack of “easy-breathers” in the test group.)
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They MAKE you think there's an improvement....changing the signals to the PCM isn't an effective way to gain anything but to make you "FEEL" a difference, when there's nothing really added.
Yea....keep thinking that way. That's wrong on SO many levels.
The PURE basics of building a motor is airflow in and out. Essentially any ICE is a big air pump. The "easier" air gets in-n-out the better. It's been that way since the '50's. Build any real NA motor for power the FIRST thing people start wanting to do is port intakes, and bore over cylinders.
I'll say OEM tuning is like the bottom end of all the parameters of a capable motor. When you open the air filter flow (let's say) you don't change 90% of the parameters, you might change maybe 10%. Without additional changes you don't notice any difference. Hence removing the OEM paper air filter on a dyno run to compare likely yields very little change. Now....make the intake piping less restrictive, open the CAC area, you start to make gains. Maybe you pull the intake manifolds out for porting....then open the exhaust manifolds....the a larger exhaust system. Then you add in the changes in tuning tables.....
It all adds up.
What I love about Banks is he PROVES lots of things ARE TRUE even when comparing products across various manufacturers. His teenage ranting about S&B can be picked apart in a few minutes as his OWN products are against his OWN rants about products.
It's laughable....his little pouting face, ranting,....OMG it's too funny.
My first sentence said nothing is added
You stated it was a placebo.. Placebo is a perceived change with NO reason/proof of that change.. The pedal devices DO make a change to pedal input to PCM.. Again, worth it idk.. FACTUAL change 100%.. It is not a placebo as you stated.Sorry don’t mean to be an asshole but I have no idea what the hell is going on here did you quote the wrong person or something no offense but I couldn’t give a rats ass about a Jeep or any gasser for that matter
Isn’t post #105 you? I was trying explain the purpose of posting pictures of an S&B intake — trying to answer the question you asked. Lol. Not trying to be an asshole either, and sorry this was befuddling for you, but the arguments and merits concerning CAI systems made by S&B and others are the same for “gasser” motors. Actually, any merit to the cold-air part of the CAI argument it’s even more true for normally aspirated gas motors, as forced induction of any kind (including turbo diesels) has a much bigger impact on available oxygen for combustion than a small reduction in air intake temperature.
If you don’t understand the point, or you don’t think it has merit, you’re always free to ignore it.
Lol.
What I’m getting from this conversation is that the cold air intakes look cool and help the motor growl a bit more, which for some folks is important I guess. But they don’t affect performance so if you want to spend $ for what’s cool that’s fine. I did that when I was young too. But I’ll keep my cash in my pocket this time. Thanks for the lively discussions.
