Winch Install!

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Is the center trim for a truck with the adaptive cruise different than one without. I bought the longer tow hook trim piece but it looks like I need a different center trim piece.
Yes, the center trim is a different length depending on adaptive cruise being installed or not. The center trim piece you need is part number LC3Z-8419-BA (this is the trim piece that comes factory installed on trucks with adaptive cruise). It is the part shown held below for comparison:

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Also, I didn't see it mentioned in the thread, but the part number for the longer tow hook trim (which you bought) is LC3Z-8311-E. Just including this in case anyone else needs it. I have a chrome bumper. There may have been a part variation for painted bumpers, but I'm not sure what the difference is.

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I'm actually in the process of attempting to add adaptive cruise to a truck that didn't have it from the factory. I'm using some Forscan guides to see if I can make it work. Adding the adaptive cruise module and winch at the same time. If anyone is interested in following my results, let me know.

Update 11/6 -

In a positive sign that I can hopefully add ACC, the connector at the bumper (C134) appears to have the wiring in place to support adaptive cruise truck-side. This is on my 2020 F250 Lariat Supercab (Supercabs can't get ACC as a factory option). I ordered and installed the wiring harness lc3z-15k867-a on the back side of the bumper while it was off the vehicle and it includes the connectors for fog lights and more importantly, the ACC module.

The part number for the ACC module is lb5z-9e731-ab. Also a mounting stud is needed, part number W717468-S439.
 
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I know it's been a while, but I have a winch install question... my winch was installed by the dealer (wish I'd have done it myself!). I appears to me that my bumper now sits a bit lower than it did prior to the winch install. I can tell because there is a large gap between the top of my bumper and the bottom of my headlights. I asked the installer about this and he said "yes, we couldn't raise the bumper any more because it will hit the silver engage handle for the winch". I agree with him that the handle is very close to hitting the bumper now. But, perhaps the entire winch could be moved up?? Have you seen or heard of this before?? Thanks!
 
I know it's been a while, but I have a winch install question... my winch was installed by the dealer (wish I'd have done it myself!). I appears to me that my bumper now sits a bit lower than it did prior to the winch install. I can tell because there is a large gap between the top of my bumper and the bottom of my headlights. I asked the installer about this and he said "yes, we couldn't raise the bumper any more because it will hit the silver engage handle for the winch". I agree with him that the handle is very close to hitting the bumper now. But, perhaps the entire winch could be moved up?? Have you seen or heard of this before?? Thanks!
I have seen that it moves the bumper slightly. Do you have a photo to see how extreme we are talking?
 
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I know it's been a while, but I have a winch install question... my winch was installed by the dealer (wish I'd have done it myself!). I appears to me that my bumper now sits a bit lower than it did prior to the winch install. I can tell because there is a large gap between the top of my bumper and the bottom of my headlights. I asked the installer about this and he said "yes, we couldn't raise the bumper any more because it will hit the silver engage handle for the winch". I agree with him that the handle is very close to hitting the bumper now. But, perhaps the entire winch could be moved up?? Have you seen or heard of this before?? Thanks!
This was discussed in another thread awhile ago. It’s a real thing and the fix is to cut into the bumper to make room for the handle.

Personally it doesn’t bug me enough to justify pulling everything apart enough to make the cut, but could be worth it to you. For context, here’s a picture of my truck that shows off the gap between the bumper and headlight well:

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I know it's been a while, but I have a winch install question... my winch was installed by the dealer (wish I'd have done it myself!). I appears to me that my bumper now sits a bit lower than it did prior to the winch install. I can tell because there is a large gap between the top of my bumper and the bottom of my headlights. I asked the installer about this and he said "yes, we couldn't raise the bumper any more because it will hit the silver engage handle for the winch". I agree with him that the handle is very close to hitting the bumper now. But, perhaps the entire winch could be moved up?? Have you seen or heard of this before?? Thanks!
The bumper doesn't need to be cut. They did not get the winch pushed up high enough, which is why your bumper has the excessive gap.
I had this same issue. I took it back and made them fix it.
 
Is there a way to order one of these yet if it didn’t come on the truck?
Order it at your local dealership. They will go through Ford Performance to get it. That is how I got mine and they installed it. $3800
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I HIGHLY recommend everyone install the sleeve as it protects the synthetic rope for breaking down from the sun UV rays.
Is that necessary if you have the winch pulled all the way in with an isolator?
 
If it doesn’t get sunlight, then no.
Cool, thanks!

For context, the reason I asked is because I pulled my cover off after having it pulled all the way in for two reasons:
  1. It made it a royal pain to get the winch rope pulled out. Took quite a lot of force since the cover was bound up on the top of the drum.
  2. The cover was saturated with water from rain and wet roads and wasn’t drying out, which probably isn’t great for the rope.
 
I have seen that it moves the bumper slightly. Do you have a photo to see how extreme we are talking?
Here are some pics. You can see in two of the pics that the rubber "flashing" does not come high enough to be pinned into the holes that hold it in place... I just can't believe my dealer has done this right. I have yet to find another Tremor in person with a winch to compare... But, I have pics of my front end prior to the install and the rubber touched the bottom of the headlight fixture prior to the install. You'll see in these pics that it falls a full inch or more below the light now. Maybe some pics from you guys will help. Thanks!
 

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I just read the whole thread, preparing to put this thing in next week. Thank you to everybody for the comments.

Some general comments in response to what I read and some advice that people may not know, based on 20+ years of offroading and a lot of winching. I've seen a lot of "noob" comments and questions, which is nothing to be ashamed of, so here are some things to consider. I'm stuck in the hotel room with the flu or covid or something and I'm bored, so here we go!

You don't need two batteries or two alternators. I've seen dozens of rigs running old school alternators making less than 100 amps with a single battery pull until the winch stalls and never have a problem. Very few vehicles on the trails have two batteries or an alternator larger than 200 amps. Despite what Ford recommends, this winch will work with any alternator they offer and one battery. Just don't push it really hard if you're light on amperage.

Synthetic rope is awesome, but it's fragile, so you need to treat it properly. 3 main enemies - UV light, heat, and abrasion.
  1. UV light is not applicable to us because the rope is mostly hidden. For the guys with the winch on top of their Jeep bumper, it's a big problem.
  2. Heat comes from driving the winch out. DO NOT POWER YOUR WINCH OUT FOR ANY LONGER THAN YOU HAVE TO! You're driving through the brakes that are inside the drum, which causes heat, which will melt your rope. Power out enough to release the tension then freespool and pull it out. Some ropes come with a heat guard for the wrap against the drum.
  3. Abrasion will tear things up. Make the effort to put your rash guard on and slide it to where the rope will be touching something, especially rough surfaces like granite. Another thing is to keep your rope clean. If it's full of mud and dirt, this will tear it up as well.
Buy a few soft shackles and keep them in your truck. They are ridiculously handy. If for nothing else, they can be used to connect a tow strap to your factory tow hooks. Closed tow hooks are usually difficult or impossible to get a clevis through. You don't need the mega expensive ones from Factor 55. They're somewhat disposable by nature anyway. A couple examples:
The ones with the extra sleeve on them are nice for a bit more money:

Your rope needs to be spooled all the way out, then brought back in under tension. Remember, ONE FULL WRAP MUST REMAIN ON THE DRUM ANY TIME YOUR ARE WINCHING! The rope is held on the drum when it's under load by FRICTION, not the little bolt at the end of the rope. Wrap the first layer as tight and perfect as you can, then use your vehicle weight or brakes and spool in the rest under tension. Do your best to wrap it evenly. When I figure out where the end of the first wrap is, I take a piece of bright orange paracord a couple inches long and weave it and tie it through the rope at this location so I know where the stop point is when I'm pulling rope out. Like the red zone at the end of your tape measure.

Think about the consequences and liability of helping out other people. If the vehicle doesn't have a hitch or proper tow points, I would walk away. I've pulled hundreds of people out of the ditch in the last 25 years and never had a problem. Until...... Long story short, a guy at work asked me to go pull out his sister that slide off their driveway into the deep snow in their yard. The only thing to hook to on the Equinox was the a-arm. I hooked the rope right where the a-arm attached to the chassis and pulled very gently. The next day I was told that the Equinox won't drive down the road and that I owe them the $1000+ to fix a bent suspension. What ?!?!?! There's no way I bent anything. No good deed goes unpushished!

Always use a tree strap around trees. #1 because you're hurting the tree if you don't. #2 because you're hurting your winch rope if you don't. I have a 4" x 6' strap that I use constantly on the trail. Longer 20-30' strap can work in a pinch, but you may need to wrap it around the tree several times to shorten in.

I suggest buying a proper rear tow point. Yes, you can sometimes put the end of a strap in the receiver hole and put the pin through, but that doesn't always work. The chain holes are too sharp for a soft shackle and won't fit a large clevis.

NEVER NEVER NEVER jerk on your winch strap. You will damage your winch with shock load. If you need to "snatch" somebody out, use a proper kinetic strap or rope (the ones that are made to stretch like a big rubber band) and attach it to a proper tow point. Warn knows when a winch was damaged from improper use and you will not get a free one!

I would not suggest winching with your engine off unless you're in a situation that the engine can't run. It won't hurt anything, but I've seen too many people do it, then not be able to start their engine afterward. Winches draw a tremendous amount of power under load (500-ish amps at full load).

General good practice is to put the vehicle in neutral, hold one foot on the brake, the other on the gas pedal, and hold more RPMs than idle while you're under heavy load. #1 you don't ever want to put that load on your transmission in park. #2, give the alternator some RPMs so it can recover faster. You'll see your voltage dropping under a hard pull, even with the RPMs up. If it's a long pull, don't be afraid to let the winch and truck rest half way through.

Your winch is most powerful when there is only one wrap of rope on the drum. The larger the mass of rope gets, the less powerful the winch is. Keep this in mind if you seem to be struggling near the end of your pull. You may need to back up and pull more rope out to regain lost power.
 
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This was discussed in another thread awhile ago. It’s a real thing and the fix is to cut into the bumper to make room for the handle.

Personally it doesn’t bug me enough to justify pulling everything apart enough to make the cut, but could be worth it to you. For context, here’s a picture of my truck that shows off the gap between the bumper and headlight well:

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Who make and/or where did you get that front plate mount????
 
Who make and/or where did you get that front plate mount????
Swarfworks!


You can read my thoughts about it on my build thread:

 
Guys - what's the latest version of Winch installation instructions? Sitting down with my dealer tomorrow. I am also linking this thread and giving them photos. This one?
 

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