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Nice. That would be a really good setup.
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Please describe this in detail. When it happens, is it under light throttle or a hard pull with the load? Does it feel like the bypass valve is just not closing? If you lay off the throttle and then step on it again does the situation correct itself?
It's still not ready for public release for the '23-'24 trucks yet. Please let Whipple know you want one so they'll push to get everything finished.
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Since the event happens with such rarity, it is difficult to diagnose and or log the event with precision. I have checked and tested the bypass valve, in all tests and videos, working perfectly.
Only because of the logging done and observation with the boost gauge can you tell there is a intermittent "issue"; only really noticeable when towing something heavy. I am working to replicate and narrow down a way to get it to repeat, but you have to be towing heavy for long distances with varying loads to work down the diagnosis. Basically there are rare occasions that boost doesn't build when it should. Really the only way for that to occur is if the bypass valve is not closing. This can be caused by a faulty bypass actuator or the calibration is limiting the amount the Throttle Body can open under a unique set of circumstances. When this occurs, the engine is basically acting and is power limited as if it was normally aspirated from the OEM. You are never lacking power or capability, you just do not have the same power levels with the 5 - 8lbs of boost and it requires the transmission to go a gear or two lower than you would normally have with this kit. Once the load (due to grade or otherwise) reduces, the system works normally again. I drove 360 miles pulling 15k lb travel trailer last weekend and got it to do it maybe 3 - 4 times. It may have something to do with the calibration of the cruise control not downshifting during heavy load changes, but not sure. Seems to do it during user intervention while using cruise control (like pressing the pedal without deactivating CC or manually locking out a gear), but this theory needs more time to test.
Again, no check engine lights or codes and having the issue over 3 or 4 grade increases over 6hrs in the car (~4-6 secs/event) is not something I'm going to lose sleep at night over, but will try to continue to try to replicate when towing heavy. Whipple needs something repeatable and tangible before they can take action.
On the plus side, I towed heavy with significant wind drag in 97 - 100F temperatures this weekend; logging engine PID's at 0.5s intervals. Coolant, Engine Block and Manifold Air Temps were all within what could be considered normal for load and outside air temps.
Once the latest Oil Analysis arrives (hopefully sometime in the next week), I'll try to get posted. We've already put 1600 miles on it since the oil and plug change, it will be time for another oil change before too long.
Late to this thread, just found it…
Been wanting to charge my 23 dually for awhile now, great info, thanks GT.
I’ve talked to Whipple and Pro Charger and both are good products but I’m leaning toward a whip.
Yesterday I got a price from our local Ford dealer, right around $15,000 bucks. The charger alone is $10,000 from Whipple.
Question, are there other mods that NEED to be done before or after the install ?
Been wanting to charge my 23 dually for awhile now, great info, thanks GT.
I’ve talked to Whipple and Pro Charger and both are good products but I’m leaning toward a whip.
Yesterday I got a price from our local Ford dealer, right around $15,000 bucks. The charger alone is $10,000 from Whipple.
Question, are there other mods that NEED to be done before or after the install ?
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After reading all of this and owning a 22 with the 7.3, I just can't imagine spending the money to boost a 7.3. I now have a 23 HO and with the milage it gets (15 to 23 MPG) and all of the power it produces, I'd never own another 7.3. Just one opinion.
As far as I know, nothing is available for the 23+ yet. They haven't been able to crack the ECU.
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That seems to be a theme lately. Anything that goes deeper into the truck's systems is becoming more challenging. IGLA comes to my mind. I am sure there is a lot more.
'22 7.3 owner here... my perspective:
- Diesel maintenance can be daunting and expensive
- I don't have to deal with fuel system issues, def, and other things
- Whipple provides near instant power versus a turbo setup
- A blown 7.3 can make gobs of power and torque
- It would cost me FAR more $$ to get out of my 7.3 (which I got for a great deal) and into a 6.7 than it would to put a Whipple on.
- I like the sound a Whipple makes
This is my email from last week, direct from Whipple regarding my 2023
“GREAT NEWS!
We haven't put it on our website, but we do have the kit "unreleased" with a little bit of a lead time for the 23-24. It's the same kit listed above”.
Kit #:
| WK-2345-STG2-30 |
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wow... I was emailing Whipple back in January on this. Surprised they haven't cracked it yet. I was under the impression that they work directly with Ford on these.
One other thing to note is that the Whipple when installed on a Super Duty does not come with any warranty. It looks like they've updated the product page for the 2020 - 2022 compatible kit to remove the option for the extended warranty and also removed the core warranty document.
One other thing to note is that the Whipple when installed on a Super Duty does not come with any warranty. It looks like they've updated the product page for the 2020 - 2022 compatible kit to remove the option for the extended warranty and also removed the core warranty document.
I think the Whipple kit is set up to run just fine on the stock engine with no modifications (ie stock exhaust etc.). The kit replaces the factory air box, intake and throttle with a setup that can flow a lot more air, so reason would suggest it'd be prudent to upgrade everything downstream as a minimum.
If I went this route on my current truck I'd do a set of ARH long tube headers and either dual 3" or single 4" exhaust back from there as minimum. One would hope the factory tune and oversized injectors from Whipple could adjust for this without needing a custom tune or any additional mods, but I honestly dont know. LT Headers and free flowing exhaust would add 40-50 HP (if tuned properly) to a stock NA engine so you'd probably see a touch more when added to a blown setup.
If you wanted further optimization you could get a set of WPE Stage 1 heads and their cam that's optimized for a blower setup and pick up even more power and then be truly optimized, but heads and cam would absolutely need a custom tune, and maybe bigger injectors since you'd be adding another 10-20% power easily (I have no idea what the specs are on the ones included in the Whipple kit though or how much power they can support).
The Whipple goes into the '23 trucks as a kit. Nothing else needs to be done. Other mods will not increase the power without additional tuning. Whipple has a "partnership" with Ford to get into the tune for each individual truck. I do not know if custom tuning is available yet.
ProCharger does not and has not figured out how to get into the '23-'24 trucks. This is from them last month.
"We unfortunantly do not currently have a kit available for the 2023 F-250. Ford changed the PCM in the truck in 2023 to an encrypted computer and we are currently waiting on tuning support. If you would like i can reach back out to you as soon as we have a kit available."
It sounds like they're finally going public. They've known how to do this for several months now.
It sounds like you have not driven a 7.3 with a Whipple. You're opinion would change.
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That's awesome... @modified can we get a group buy going?
In all seriousness, this is on my list of mods, but I'm likely not going to seriously think about it for another 12 - 18 months. Gotta finish the lighting and suspension upgrades, and have also planned to strip the cabin to put sound dampening for an eventual audio upgrade. Would be nice to get a bit more get-up and go though just to make turning onto or merging onto highways a bit easier.
It's an apples to ostriches comparison at that point.
That instant throttle response sounds pretty appealing from us over here in the diesel camp.
Being neutered by torque management is the bigger problem.
Are the 7.3s not limited with TQM in the early gears or is it just less prevalent?
Not sure, I assume they aren't since they are less than half the torque to begin with.
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