What’s in your gun safe?

[majorbison]

I always hated false bravado commentary like this. It’s a cute notion that one’s skills are so good that they only need one or two bullets, but as Mike Tyson once said, “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.” Goes right with the spirit of the Helmuth Von Molke quote, “No plan survives first contact with the enemy.” Point being, most gunfights aren’t a simple game of draw, point, shoot and stationary bad guy goes away. Statistically speaking, the good guy is the one on his back foot, possibly already shot, stabbed, clubbed over the head, hands slick with sweat, eyes stinging with blood and now you need to fight for your life agains hopefully just one assailant.. I know I’m good with pistol. I would never be so bold as to make the claim that I only need a few rounds to handle business. In fact I never met anyone, military or LE who was in a gunfight that thought during or after the fact, “Gosh, I have way too many bullets for this party.” In my OIS, I was moving through a house during a dope warrant and came to room with an open door. As I approached the threshold, I saw the muzzle of a rifle protruding a quarter inch past the door jam. I began putting rounds through the wall and he reciprocated in kind. 17 rounds from a Glock 17 went real damn fast shooting at a guy I couldn’t even see. Not sure which three of the 17 rounds hit him, but I suspect it was toward the end of the mag because that’s when he stopped shooting back. That was luck because six didn’t penetrate the wall at all and eight missed entirely. This is a scenario that could easily play out in any one of your homes during a break in. I want all the beers, all the HP, all the girlies and damn sure all the bullets.

I saw a Marshall in the chow line the other day who was carrying a 1911. My favorite handgun for sure but 10 rounds at best with a Wilson Combat magazine, versus what 17-19 rounds in a 19x or G45 or similar duty carry? Ballsy, potentially fatal move in move in my opinion.

Unrelated - I recently transitioned from a 19x to a 509 tactical. The grip angle and my natural point of aim is a lot better. I shot the glock for years, albeit only as a secondary and would always have to make that split second adjustment on sight. I'm tempted to grab the G45 COA blue label just to stay current on them and see if I do any better. I just was not as fast as I could be on the 19x / RMR.

 

[MVI]

I wish I could get the time and money I wasted on NFA stuff over the years back.

$3000 in NFA Fees as a rebate is great idea. Call your Congressman !

 

[Vermonster]

Am I the only one who finds it funny that one of the “moderators” in a Super Duty forum is also an ATF agent trying look in everyone’s gun safe? Very sus.

 

[Vermonster]

You need to pump those numbers bro.

That was a while ago.

 

[Apples]

I always hated false bravado commentary like this. It’s a cute notion that one’s skills are so good that they only need one or two bullets, but as Mike Tyson once said, “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.” Goes right with the spirit of the Helmuth Von Molke quote, “No plan survives first contact with the enemy.” Point being, most gunfights aren’t a simple game of draw, point, shoot and stationary bad guy goes away.

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment and at the time I found it humorous and for the reasons you describe.

I cannot argue with your experience but I can say there are other retired military and/or LE who will say that most gunfights (civilian, on the street rather than under seige) are over in three to five shots.

No case is the same. Cheers.

 

[Avslash]

I saw a Marshall in the chow line the other day who was carrying a 1911. My favorite handgun for sure but 10 rounds at best with a Wilson Combat magazine, versus what 17-19 rounds in a 19x or G45 or similar duty carry? Ballsy, potentially fatal move in move in my opinion.

Unrelated - I recently transitioned from a 19x to a 509 tactical. The grip angle and my natural point of aim is a lot better. I shot the glock for years, albeit only as a secondary and would always have to make that split second adjustment on sight. I'm tempted to grab the G45 COA blue label just to stay current on them and see if I do any better. I just was not as fast as I could be on the 19x / RMR.

I too love a 1911, but modern, defensive grade 9mm is virtually indistinguishable from defensive grade .45 in terminal performance. I'll take the magazine capacity of virtually any modern 9mm handgun all day every day.

 

[Vulet]

I don’t have a gun.

 

[Avslash]

Read this recently. Interesting read for anyone who ponders gunfighting.

 

[McE]

I appendix carry a G17 in a sidecar holster w/one spare mag, both with Arredondo +6 base pads. 47 rounds with one mag change.

I love wheel guns, but 47 > 6.

 

[majorbison]

P365x been my carry for a long time

 

[bugeyedmonster1]

This past weekend, stretched the 6.5CM to 1779 yards. Zeroed new load that was slightly higher than previous, also tested some copper solid projectiles. The coppers need more load development, I think I have too much jump.

The right group is 10 rounds of Berger 140 gr, from a clean barrel so this includes fouling rounds. The left group is the 122 copper solids that were less impressive. Both groups were shot at 103 yards. Adjusted for zero and

Steel target at 1779 yards took exactly 5 shots to walk in to correct what ballistic calc estimated elevation. Shots 6-15 were all on target. Both my spotter and I did not realize I was on target until a second spotter watched, the 6.5CM rounds were leaving no splash and barely marked steel let alone move it.

 

[majorbison]

Holy shit

 

[bugeyedmonster1]

I have an upcoming heavy carbine class I plan to shoot with a SCAR 17. The engagement distances are from 8 to 800 yards, maybe squeeze 1000 yards with a .308. It's a challenge, but I'm going to do some testing to see how much I can push either 175 or 185 grain rounds to distance consistently. I'm prepping 1200 pieces of brass for this, and doing it in batches of 300 pieces not to drive myself crazy. All cases have been decapped and run through the wet tumbler. This first batch ahs been swaged and annealed.

 

[bugeyedmonster1]

I appendix carry a G17 in a sidecar holster w/one spare mag, both with Arredondo +6 base pads. 47 rounds with one mag change.

I love wheel guns, but 47 > 6.

Jesus, how do you hide a standard G17 mag with a +6 basepad appendix carrying? I have difficulty with a G43x, and I'm not small.