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" the WD is expensive, heavy, cumbersome, and takes a lot longer to hitch/unhitch."

Yes, it takes time to dial in the setup but I disagree that it's significantly slower to hitch up. Once the coupler is on the ball it takes maybe 3 minutes more to get the bars set. If the wife could even pick one up it could be cut to 2 minutes! ?
 
" the WD is expensive, heavy, cumbersome, and takes a lot longer to hitch/unhitch."

Yes, it takes time to dial in the setup but I disagree that it's significantly slower to hitch up. Once the coupler is on the ball it takes maybe 3 minutes more to get the bars set. If the wife could even pick one up it could be cut to 2 minutes! ?
Maybe it depends on the speed of the jack, lol. Ours is not that fast. Lower the tongue, lock it, raise the whole rig, set both bars, lower the tongue again. 3 jack cycles instead of 1. If you lower your tongue when its parked then 4 cycles instead of 2. This is another negative I guess - more wear and tear on your electric jack more cycles plus lifting the truck's back end a bit.
 
Are you using a sway control/ distribution hitch with your set up? We're looking at an airstream international 28rb and based on trailer GVWR we've got tons of room as far as towing capacity but I was wondering if a distribution hitch might make life easier
I do have a WD hitch, and it works great! Takes weight off the hitch and adds to the front.
 
Are you using a sway control/ distribution hitch with your set up? We're looking at an airstream international 28rb and based on trailer GVWR we've got tons of room as far as towing capacity but I was wondering if a distribution hitch might make life easier
Awesome!!! I sure am. I'm currently using an Equal-i-zer anti-sway hitch. It keeps the camper very stable and have had zero issues.

Here is the hitch i have: https://www.equalizerhitch.com/stor...y-control-hitch-with-pre-installed-hitch-ball.

I got these to quiet the creeking when towing: https://www.equalizerhitch.com/store/hitch-accessories/sway-bracket-jacket-pair.

Also your suppose to grease the weight distribution bar hinges and i got this grease from them: https://www.equalizerhitch.com/store/hitch-accessories/high-performance-lubricant

Lastly because i hate surprises and try to prepare for anything breaking or getting lost: https://www.equalizerhitch.com/store/pins-and-clips/double-spare-pin-pack
 
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How do you like the Sundowner. I have been looking at them. I pull a LQ Sundowner horse trailer and love it.
Love our Sundowner. We have owned several high end travel trailer and fifth wheel toy haulers over the years and this one is by far the best built camper we have owned. Sundowner doesn’t do bling like the others but I will gladly sacrifice bling every time to get quality built. Highly recommend, in fact our next one will also be from Sundowner too, just longer. Best towing camper I have ever had too. Be sure to look at/buy one that is built with the extra height, the shorter ones feel a little cramped.
 
Pit stop @ Bucee's - heading back from the coast.

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Pink Flamingos = PRIORITIES!!!! Nice!
Yeah man!! First thing to get put up after we set up the camper. They were my wife's grandparents, they bought them new in the 50's.
 
^^^^ DAYUM! There's not a campground in all of Commiefornia
anywhere close to as nice as that!!! It well befits Oliver!
Thanks Brother!
Brought a few trout home to boot. The North Tow river has decent trout fishing tubing, and kayaking.

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Anyone have any feedback on the Momentum 28G by Grand Design? It’s 33’ 11” overall, seems long as a Bumper Pull (Tow Behind, whatever they identify as these days).

I’m concerned it might be too much trailer even with my 10,800 GVWR.
Are you concerned about length or wieght? Cuz just off a preliminary look at the trailer specs, i dont think you would have any issues pulling the trailer. But it all depends on what you plan on carrying as well. Could be at the top of your payload with an empty trailer leaving you with little wiggle room for toys.
 
Are you concerned about length or wieght? Cuz just off a preliminary look at the trailer specs, i dont think you would have any issues pulling the trailer. But it all depends on what you plan on carrying as well. Could be at the top of your payload with an empty trailer leaving you with little wiggle room for toys.
Thanks for the reply. I guess our last camping trip messed me up. We had a 40’ spot and our trailer is a 24’ Winnebago. It’s about 28’ overall. We took up all of the spot in my opinion… I suppose we could have been 6’ longer but just smashed in there.

I’ve had diesels and you haulers in the past so towing 12-14k has been doable. My concern is with a 33’11” overall am I no longer going to be finding spots at state campground? Almost why I want the Momentum and rear deck… try to dry camp because that opens up so many options at the states parks.

Our friends got an Eclipse Iconic (5er) and it’s OAL is 36’. So that seems easier to maneuver etc. When I started thinking about it our potentially new rig would be almost as large, and bumper pull.

There’s another thread going here on this forum about Grand Designs… debating 5er vs bumper pull. The thread is going in the direction that BP is just fine but I’m in CA where our state parks are limited in spaces due to size.

I was hoping that swapping back to a toy hauler would give us for more options to camp using BLM land and Boondock. Having a “park trailer” with small tanks and no generator is killing me.

For some reason I think the 25g model seems like I’d be able to rip around with way better, I’ve always liked smaller trailers that are manageable.

Even before the Rona Time we used our trailer about 40 nights annually… at minimum. 2020… we stayed in that thing for like 6 weeks straight about a mile from our house just to maintain our sanity. I can/do work remotely if needs be and also want the bigger rig for that. We do plan on the kids going back to normal school this year but we did a virtual academy this past year which was awesome… but we did 10 days in Morro Bay a few weeks ago and they had to do proctored standardized testing on Zoom, me with my own Zooms, wife there and 2 dogs.

Having a back deck patio… would have been NICE. Depending on trialed model… the garage would make a rad mobile command center.

Long ass way to ask… what’s are people’s experiences towing a 28-30’ “Box” with an Overall length of almost 34’?

I’ve towed 24-25’ (I guess 28’ overall with tongue) no problems. When I got the Tremor I was laughing at how easy it was to tow our Winnebago. Honestly the Winnebago was a HANDFUL behind my wife’s 2020 Expedition with HD Towing and well within the specs, with our Blue Ox WD hitch set up correctly.

I guess I’m tripping on whether or not bumper pull in the 28-30’ Box Length makes my Tremor turn into a white knuckle tow vehicle.

We’ve been RV’in for probably 15 years now. I’ve had great WD set ups and was shocked when my old 7.3 Excursion towed our 24’ Toy Hauler BETTER than my previous 2006 Duramax 3500.

Also the same trailer put my 2006 F-250 on the bump stops. Fixed that with a new WD Set up but didn’t make any sense since it had way more capacity than the Excursion.

I used to go on 3 week trips as a kid… visit the whole Western Coast, cut across Washington, Idaho, into Wyoming and Montana for Yellowstone, and returning back down visiting other cool stuff. We did it have a trailer in tow but a small RV. Those were the trips I remember.

My kids are 11 and 8… I always ask if they like the camping and RV stuff and they do. I think I have 3-4 more years of that left because now we all Mountain Bike together as they are older, we shoot and do other stuff. I figured a Toy Hauler with Generator would make camping so much easier because of BLM Land and we even own a couple plots of land which I figured maybe we could visit too. I think trailer park campers REALLY limit our options and I’d be opening them up to a whole new world.

But I just want to make sure that it will be a breeze towing bumper pull in the 34’ overall range and wasn’t going to make it all suck for me.

I guess just not knowing the “feel” of that size rig and what it’s like in cross wind and pulling through gas stations, some windy roads in Northern California.

I would say I’m a bad ass at towing… and if I had a choice I’d just work at Home Depot or be a truck driver. Lol. Just want to make sure I’m not wishing I got an F-350 or smaller trailer after pulling the trigger on something that’s like $65K plus.

Also… as a resident of Commiefornia I can see having to work/stay in this thing for extended time in the event we’re waiting on a house to close or be built out of state. I have plenty of friends that have ended up living in hotels because their home out of state was incomplete once they moved there and arrived “surprise the builder lied.” Whole other subject… but I guess I want to know to know how big of a bumper pull I can move up to comfortably behind my 6.7 Tremor with its 10,800 GVWR.

PS… I can see a side by side in our future. I think that also keeps the family more engaged camping. We’ve lost few friends to riding Bikes and Quads in the desert which is why my wife only allowed us to get a TT when we bought the last trailer. I think the lack of generator and coffee in the AM when Boondocking changed her mind a bit knowing that a push start generator was all we needed and hooking up the Honda EU’s is a mission which sucks.
 
Let's see your rigs, talk camping and share favorite campgrounds. Here's my current setup. Its a 25 FBT Airstream. It has 900lbs tounge weight and weighs around 7300lb fully loaded. The wife and I love to camp at corps of engineers campgrounds, our favorite is Indian creek on Mark Twain lake in Monroe city, MO. Camping so far with all the new influx of campers hasn't been bad so far.

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Thanks for the reply. I guess our last camping trip messed me up. We had a 40’ spot and our trailer is a 24’ Winnebago. It’s about 28’ overall. We took up all of the spot in my opinion… I suppose we could have been 6’ longer but just smashed in there.

I’ve had diesels and you haulers in the past so towing 12-14k has been doable. My concern is with a 33’11” overall am I no longer going to be finding spots at state campground? Almost why I want the Momentum and rear deck… try to dry camp because that opens up so many options at the states parks.

Our friends got an Eclipse Iconic (5er) and it’s OAL is 36’. So that seems easier to maneuver etc. When I started thinking about it our potentially new rig would be almost as large, and bumper pull.

There’s another thread going here on this forum about Grand Designs… debating 5er vs bumper pull. The thread is going in the direction that BP is just fine but I’m in CA where our state parks are limited in spaces due to size.

I was hoping that swapping back to a toy hauler would give us for more options to camp using BLM land and Boondock. Having a “park trailer” with small tanks and no generator is killing me.

For some reason I think the 25g model seems like I’d be able to rip around with way better, I’ve always liked smaller trailers that are manageable.

Even before the Rona Time we used our trailer about 40 nights annually… at minimum. 2020… we stayed in that thing for like 6 weeks straight about a mile from our house just to maintain our sanity. I can/do work remotely if needs be and also want the bigger rig for that. We do plan on the kids going back to normal school this year but we did a virtual academy this past year which was awesome… but we did 10 days in Morro Bay a few weeks ago and they had to do proctored standardized testing on Zoom, me with my own Zooms, wife there and 2 dogs.

Having a back deck patio… would have been NICE. Depending on trialed model… the garage would make a rad mobile command center.

Long ass way to ask… what’s are people’s experiences towing a 28-30’ “Box” with an Overall length of almost 34’?

I’ve towed 24-25’ (I guess 28’ overall with tongue) no problems. When I got the Tremor I was laughing at how easy it was to tow our Winnebago. Honestly the Winnebago was a HANDFUL behind my wife’s 2020 Expedition with HD Towing and well within the specs, with our Blue Ox WD hitch set up correctly.

I guess I’m tripping on whether or not bumper pull in the 28-30’ Box Length makes my Tremor turn into a white knuckle tow vehicle.

We’ve been RV’in for probably 15 years now. I’ve had great WD set ups and was shocked when my old 7.3 Excursion towed our 24’ Toy Hauler BETTER than my previous 2006 Duramax 3500.

Also the same trailer put my 2006 F-250 on the bump stops. Fixed that with a new WD Set up but didn’t make any sense since it had way more capacity than the Excursion.

I used to go on 3 week trips as a kid… visit the whole Western Coast, cut across Washington, Idaho, into Wyoming and Montana for Yellowstone, and returning back down visiting other cool stuff. We did it have a trailer in tow but a small RV. Those were the trips I remember.

My kids are 11 and 8… I always ask if they like the camping and RV stuff and they do. I think I have 3-4 more years of that left because now we all Mountain Bike together as they are older, we shoot and do other stuff. I figured a Toy Hauler with Generator would make camping so much easier because of BLM Land and we even own a couple plots of land which I figured maybe we could visit too. I think trailer park campers REALLY limit our options and I’d be opening them up to a whole new world.

But I just want to make sure that it will be a breeze towing bumper pull in the 34’ overall range and wasn’t going to make it all suck for me.

I guess just not knowing the “feel” of that size rig and what it’s like in cross wind and pulling through gas stations, some windy roads in Northern California.

I would say I’m a bad ass at towing… and if I had a choice I’d just work at Home Depot or be a truck driver. Lol. Just want to make sure I’m not wishing I got an F-350 or smaller trailer after pulling the trigger on something that’s like $65K plus.

Also… as a resident of Commiefornia I can see having to work/stay in this thing for extended time in the event we’re waiting on a house to close or be built out of state. I have plenty of friends that have ended up living in hotels because their home out of state was incomplete once they moved there and arrived “surprise the builder lied.” Whole other subject… but I guess I want to know to know how big of a bumper pull I can move up to comfortably behind my 6.7 Tremor with its 10,800 GVWR.

PS… I can see a side by side in our future. I think that also keeps the family more engaged camping. We’ve lost few friends to riding Bikes and Quads in the desert which is why my wife only allowed us to get a TT when we bought the last trailer. I think the lack of generator and coffee in the AM when Boondocking changed her mind a bit knowing that a push start generator was all we needed and hooking up the Honda EU’s is a mission which sucks.
I have a Forest River Surveyor Legend 296QBLE Travel Trailer. It is a 29/30' box and is 35' long over all and 38' long if we put down the cargo rack. It has a GVWR around 9600 lbs. Dry weight is around 7,000lbs. It has a dry tongue weight of 800+ lbs. Loaded it is around 8,000 lbs and a tongue weight around 1100/1200 lbs. I use an E2 Equalizer WD with built in anti sway hitch setup. The one I have is rated for 10,000lb trailer and 1,000lb tongue weight. Which I am maxing out the tongue weight on when distributed. I have a 350. No problems towing capacity wise. Going down the road you don't really even know its there unless the wind is blowing. When the wind blows I can really feel it in the truck and it can push you around quite a bit. Reducing speed helps but can still be felt in the 50's. I like to camp in State Parks and other places that can get tight. The best advice I can give you is do your research before booking sites to make sure you can fit. I always say that I'm 38' even though I can be as small as 35'. I also use google maps and other resources to recon routes and make sure the spot I'm trying to book looks like it will work for me.
 
I have a Forest River Surveyor Legend 296QBLE Travel Trailer. It is a 29/30' box and is 35' long over all and 38' long if we put down the cargo rack. It has a GVWR around 9600 lbs. Dry weight is around 7,000lbs. It has a dry tongue weight of 800+ lbs. Loaded it is around 8,000 lbs and a tongue weight around 1100/1200 lbs. I use an E2 Equalizer WD with built in anti sway hitch setup. The one I have is rated for 10,000lb trailer and 1,000lb tongue weight. Which I am maxing out the tongue weight on when distributed. I have a 350. No problems towing capacity wise. Going down the road you don't really even know its there unless the wind is blowing. When the wind blows I can really feel it in the truck and it can push you around quite a bit. Reducing speed helps but can still be felt in the 50's. I like to camp in State Parks and other places that can get tight. The best advice I can give you is do your research before booking sites to make sure you can fit. I always say that I'm 38' even though I can be as small as 35'. I also use google maps and other resources to recon routes and make sure the spot I'm trying to book looks like it will work for me.
Thanks for that reply. So it sounds like wind will be an issue still, but I think with a 5er it’s like potatoes/potato’s right? I’d assume we have anti sway options still (Like I do today) and although a 5er has the weight over the axles they don’t have anti sway, have a taller profile and I risk even more challenges regarding space @ campgrounds (limited spots). I usually say I have 28-30 now just for the same reasons.

So here’s a question… if you bought a trailer all over again… would you buy a Bumper Pull that large, 5er, or a smaller trailer?

I’m looking at the Momentum 25g for the “ease of use” but if I go 28’, I should be looking at the 29’ model with Washer and Dryer hook ups.
 
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