Toyo RT Pro vs Nitto Ridge Grappler vs Toyo Mt

[Apples]

All in fun, fellas. Before things get out of hand (my bad) I sincerely do not mean to turn any of this into an argument. <--- preemptive peacemaking

Y'all do what you're going to do! and that's what makes this world go 'round.

 

[BFill85_KRTremor]

Looking to jump up to 38s now that I have the larger 7 inch zone offroad lift kit on. Im between 38x13.5r18 nitto ridge grappler or toyo RT pro. Or going crazy and thinking even 38x15.5r18 toyo MT I think 15.5 wide would give it a hell of a stance. What are your guys opinions on these tires and sizes. I had 38x13.5 on my previous 2017 liked them but never had toyo MT wondering if anyone here can speak to them. I know id be sacrificing road noise and ride quality with the MTs.

I don’t envy your position. I am going to be in same spot in about 2 months.

Not sure where you live. I know the Toyo mts are tough as nails (3 ply vs nitto 2 ply). Personally I’d go
-rt pro = better highway, daily, long tread life, and hybrid with more than AT and a little less than MT
- mt
-ridge grapplers

 

[Optimus🤖]

Don't listen to the non lifters. At least stay with a minimum 13.50. If I were you, I'd go 40's 14.50.

Welcome to the lifted club, brother .

1979 called. It wants it's tires back.

12.5" or narrower.

Get with the program.

How about 1974?

12.5's or narrower are for stock trucks, not for next level builds.

 

[healthyrx]

Just to be clear is your issue with fl ga line or the other part? Because I agree that we don’t like Fl Ga line

 

[healthyrx]

All jokes aside
@Mas13pharmd
Just saw these on marketplace near me and thought they look nice and aggressive- also have the 3pmsf rating for winters in the NE
might as well just put on the big boy pants and go with 40s

 

[Phillbo]

I got good mileage out of the set of RT'S that we're on my truck when I bought it and they were a good tire. Got a bit noisy as they aged but I think that was from wear due to a bad drag link bushing.

 

[Apples]

Don't listen to the non lifters. At least stay with a minimum 13.50. If I were you, I'd go 40's 14.50.

I will agree that when acending to the rarified air that is The 40"+ Club, an 11.5"-wide tire may look ridiculously thin. Almost too narrow, but they work! Just look at our southern states' mud-whompin' events. VERY tall tires that are very, very narrow. Extreme case, but there it is.

But's that's not what this thread's topic was at the time of the OP. It was the topic of moving up to a 38" diameter, where an 11.5" section width is on the cutting edge (pardon the pun) of common tire proportion. a 38 X 11.5 is somewhat avant garde. It is a bold move.

But in the realm of 37" or 38" tire diameters, 11.5 (for a 37) and then 12.5 (for a 38") are my width limits. I stand by my assertion that especially when off road, a narrower tire does everything better. And, they're just easier on the truck.

As for the meme I posted, I must offer a correction to whomever it was that first created it: When airing down a tire it does NOT to make it wider to any significant degree, it creates a LONGER contact patch. Either way, airing down can and does improve traction.

What a wider tire will do best is when it's smooth or bald and that is to float on top of soft sand (as much as the vehicle's weight may allow it to float). At the same time, however, a wider tire will create on soft surfaces a larger "bow wave" of material in front of the tire's path. A narrower tire will have less to deal with when rolling through that terrain surface.

And a narrower tire will have a greater psi contact patch, giving greater traction all else being equal. The larger diameter helps, too, and for easier rolling over smaller obstacles.

And so on and so forth.

 

[BFill85_KRTremor]

I will agree that when acending to the rarified air that is The 40"+ Club, an 11.5"-wide tire may look ridiculously thin. Almost too narrow, but they work! Just look at our southern states' mud-whompin' events. VERY tall tires that are very, very narrow. Extreme case, but there it is.

But's that's not what this thread's topic was at the time of the OP. It was the topic of moving up to a 38" diameter, where an 11.5" section width is on the cutting edge (pardon the pun) of common tire proportion. a 38 X 11.5 is somewhat avant garde. It is a bold move.

But in the realm of 37" or 38" tire diameters, 11.5 (for a 37) and then 12.5 (for a 38") are my width limits. I stand by my assertion that especially when off road, a narrower tire does everything better. And, they're just easier on the truck.

As for the meme I posted, I must offer a correction to whomever it was that first created it: When airing down a tire it does NOT to make it wider to any significant degree, it creates a LONGER contact patch. Either way, airing down can and does improve traction.

What a wider tire will do best is when it's smooth or bald and that is to float on top of soft sand (as much as the vehicle's weight may allow it to float). At the same time, however, a wider tire will create on soft surfaces a larger "bow wave" of material in front of the tire's path. A narrower tire will have less to deal with when rolling through that terrain surface.

And a narrower tire will have a greater psi contact patch, giving greater traction all else being equal. The larger diameter helps, too, and for easier rolling over smaller obstacles.

And so on and so forth.

Well stated.

Also for those who worry about snow keep in mind narrow tires do better in snow.
Narrower tires apply more weight per square inch on the road surface, allowing them to cut through deep snow to reach firmer pavement or packed bases, yielding better grip, braking, and hydroplaning resistance. As will be summarized below unless you’re in bottomless snow where there’s no bottom to reach the floating aspects isn’t that helpful…

• 11.5" tires: Act like an ice skate or a snow plow, cutting through slush and light powder to reach solid ground beneath. They are less prone to floating and losing contact with the road
• 12.5" tires: Tend to float on top of slush and deep powder, which can lead to wandering, slower steering response, and reduced traction. However, in extreme, unplowed, dry powder where there is no bottom, a wider tire will provide better flotation and stay on top of the snow

 

[Optimus🤖]

I will agree that when acending to the rarified air that is The 40"+ Club, an 11.5"-wide tire may look ridiculously thin. Almost too narrow, but they work! Just look at our southern states' mud-whompin' events. VERY tall tires that are very, very narrow. Extreme case, but there it is.

But's that's not what this thread's topic was at the time of the OP. It was the topic of moving up to a 38" diameter, where an 11.5" section width is on the cutting edge (pardon the pun) of common tire proportion. a 38 X 11.5 is somewhat avant garde. It is a bold move.

But in the realm of 37" or 38" tire diameters, 11.5 (for a 37) and then 12.5 (for a 38") are my width limits. I stand by my assertion that especially when off road, a narrower tire does everything better. And, they're just easier on the truck.

As for the meme I posted, I must offer a correction to whomever it was that first created it: When airing down a tire it does NOT to make it wider to any significant degree, it creates a LONGER contact patch. Either way, airing down can and does improve traction.

What a wider tire will do best is when it's smooth or bald and that is to float on top of soft sand (as much as the vehicle's weight may allow it to float). At the same time, however, a wider tire will create on soft surfaces a larger "bow wave" of material in front of the tire's path. A narrower tire will have less to deal with when rolling through that terrain surface.

And a narrower tire will have a greater psi contact patch, giving greater traction all else being equal. The larger diameter helps, too, and for easier rolling over smaller obstacles.

And so on and so forth.

As stated by @Mas13pharmd, his truck is a "road warrior/commuter/grocery getter." He'll be just fine with 13.50-14.50. No off roading whatsoever.

As for offroading, there's a reason why Raptors have 12.50's instead of 11.50's.

And I know about the mud wompin' events. That's a different class of off roading; way different from grocery getting.

For his lift, wider is better!

@BFill85_KRTremor, good points but in the case of snow, it's not just the width of the tire, it's the kind of tire too (the latter being more important).

 

[BFill85_KRTremor]

As stated by @Mas13pharmd, his truck is a "road warrior/commuter/grocery getter." He'll be just fine with 13.50-14.50. No off roading whatsoever.

As for offroading, there's a reason why Raptors have 12.50's instead of 11.50's.

And I know about the mud wompin' events. That's a different class of off roading; way different from grocery getting.

For his lift, wider is better!

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@BFill85_KRTremor, good points but in the case of snow, it's not just the width of the tire, it's the kind of tire too (the latter being more important).

When I talk to many people and shops there isn’t much a 11.5 tire (pizza cutters) don’t do as well as 12.5” wide tires or better. I feel the main reason 11.5” are not on factory vehicles is lack of options. I have nothing against 12.5. Hell I might end up with one myself for the lack of options and if ever needed to swap out due to issue 12.5 is more available. I’ve not talked to many around the off road trails (please keep in mind Midwest) but even at dunes in Michigan those on 11.5s dont regret/miss 12.5 when I’ve picked their brain

12.50” Vs 11.50” Wide Tires: Which is the Better Choice and Why

Discover why 11.50-inch-wide tires are gaining popularity over the traditional 12.50s. From better fitment on stock wheels to improved handling and off-road performance, this slimmer option may be the upgrade your truck actually needs.

www.ovrmag.com

For a daily driver and/or “grocery getter” that goes some off-roading time to time and isn’t upset by loosing a little poke out from fender for “stance look” the. 11.5 should have a little better handling/steering manors which would be helpful. I think at end of day it’s a personal choice and maybe more important in today’s climate - what can you get under your truck without waiting 3 months for back orders to clear up.

 

[Optimus🤖]

When I talk to many people and shops there isn’t much a 11.5 tire (pizza cutters) don’t do as well as 12.5” wide tires or better. I feel the main reason 11.5” are not on factory vehicles is lack of options. I have nothing against 12.5. Hell I might end up with one myself for the lack of options and if ever needed to swap out due to issue 12.5 is more available. I’ve not talked to many around the off road trails (please keep in mind Midwest) but even at dunes in Michigan those on 11.5s dont regret/miss 12.5 when I’ve picked their brain

12.50” Vs 11.50” Wide Tires: Which is the Better Choice and Why

Discover why 11.50-inch-wide tires are gaining popularity over the traditional 12.50s. From better fitment on stock wheels to improved handling and off-road performance, this slimmer option may be the upgrade your truck actually needs.

www.ovrmag.com

100% and it's a great article but OP isn't off roading. He goes to work and gets groceries. Now, which groceries he gets on those tires is entirely his business!

 

[BFill85_KRTremor]

100% and it's a great article but OP isn't off roading. He goes to work and gets groceries.

I know. He is my NE twin. (Black truck, zone lift - well his is 2” taller in on truck while mine is 5” variety and still arriving from our forum friend Nick…)

End of summer/fall my OEM duratracs will need replacing(if not sooner from lift), but I will be in his same shoes then too debating tires and have similar finalists as him. Full disclosure my top 3 have two 37x12.5 and the same rt PTO in 38x11.5. So that’s why I’ve been following and I feel the 11.5 vs 12.5 debates will only intensify as more tire makers out options.

By the time you turn in your double deuce membership card perhaps most will offer 11.5 in 35s, 37s, and 38s and we will have more fist hand reports from those on here sharing their first hand and real experiences. Which to me hold more weight than some of the “pros” who write articles and may be influenced by product company they are supporting (greased palms) and why I join forums like this. No one puts out aftermarket parts to market “this product will be a waste of your time and money but looks cool”

It’s people on here sharing their real opinions that are more helpful IMO. Except for those who are hardcore to a single brand/way and not open minded.

 

[Apples]

there's a reason why Raptors have 12.50's instead of 11.50's.

No, there isn't.

No good reason I can think of.

 

[Optimus🤖]

No, there isn't.

No good reason I can think of.

I was expecting something a bit more Shakespearean from you so we can "broaden" our discussion .

 

[Phillbo]

Wide tires on a daily driver are simply for show.

 

[Optimus🤖]

Wide tires on a daily driver are simply for show.

I agree. To show others we can off-road too. See you in Moab!

 

[Mas13pharmd]

As stated by @Mas13pharmd, his truck is a "road warrior/commuter/grocery getter." He'll be just fine with 13.50-14.50. No off roading whatsoever.

As for offroading, there's a reason why Raptors have 12.50's instead of 11.50's.

And I know about the mud wompin' events. That's a different class of off roading; way different from grocery getting.

For his lift, wider is better!

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@BFill85_KRTremor, good points but in the case of snow, it's not just the width of the tire, it's the kind of tire too (the latter being more important).

Now were talking where do I find those tires they could really rip up the grocery store parking lot

 

[Optimus🤖]

Now were talking where do I find those tires they could really rip up the grocery store parking lot

I recommend BKT tires!:

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You can get them in various sizes. Go with 66" if you can. They're only $3,000 each. Make us proud, brother!

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[512Tremor]

I recently installed the Toyo RT Pros in 38x13.50r18s and love them. I had them road force balanced and none of the tires needed any weights to balance. If there was a 12.50 wide I would have probably gotten those or the 11.50s if I had the oem wheels on my truck.

 

[thatdood]

I recently installed the Toyo RT Pros in 38x13.50r18s and love them. I had them road force balanced and none of the tires needed any weights to balance. If there was a 12.50 wide I would have probably gotten those or the 11.50s if I had the oem wheels on my truck.

I like the look of the 13.50 38’s Toyo MT’s I have but would have gotten 12.50’a again if they were offered in a 38x18