Toyo Open Country R/T Trail Vs ATIII Vs Falken Wildpeak A/T4W Vs Wildpeak R/T01 Vs Nitto Ridge Grappler

[Cux211]

surprised me too because I expected the opposite, but their place is 20 miles from my house, so I drove up and talked to Jason about the wheels, to get a look colors and ring/hardware options so everything got ordered right. He was specific about it because I asked him that specifically since I was eyeing their grey anodized as a possible color as well. He said they both hold up well, but for sure the powder coat was more durable in the long run. He also said the satin black rings were better than the gloss for wearing dirt between washing. He said the biggest enemy was car wash chemicals either way.

I also go an interesting take on the Carli suspension while looking over his truck. He's a good dude and the manufacturing is meticulous. He spent over an hour with me talkin' trucks knowing I was going through the tire store for the purchase. I was a little leery about dropping the coin and if it was really worth it. I'd buy the exact same setup again in a heart beat, but as a rule, I keep vehicles for a long time so I don't look at it as expensive in the long run if you buy quality. I also liked the extra offset you get with them over the +18 Methods. Pushes the tire just a little further out.. Everything cleared great on a stock tremor suspension.

Well guess I’ll be going with g500 or g600 with tech lock rings satin black all around, they have black bolts for the rings I see in your one pic did you go with 18’s or 20’s

 

[thatdood]

Lots of votes for the R/T Trail. Those that have them how are they? Louder than the stock Duratracs? That is the top end of my acceptable road noise threshold.

I don’t need 3 Peak SnowRating here in NC.

I only had the factory Duratracs on for like 2900 miles so it’s hard to compare. I don’t think the noise from my R/T Trails are bad. It certainly doesn’t cause any issues talking or listening to the radio. I take many Zoom calls from the truck while on the road and not once has someone mentioned they couldn’t understand me due to background noise

 

[sarj]

... did you go with 18’s or 20’s

18's all the way. ... 20's were never an option for me, plus the woman appreciates the smoother ride.

 

[Billet]

surprised me too because I expected the opposite, but their place is 20 miles from my house, so I drove up and talked to Jason about the wheels, to get a look colors and ring/hardware options so everything got ordered right. He was specific about it because I asked him that specifically since I was eyeing their grey anodized as a possible color as well. He said they both hold up well, but for sure the powder coat was more durable in the long run. He also said the satin black rings were better than the gloss for wearing dirt between washing. He said the biggest enemy was car wash chemicals either way.

I also go an interesting take on the Carli suspension while looking over his truck. He's a good dude and the manufacturing is meticulous. He spent over an hour with me talkin' trucks knowing I was going through the tire store for the purchase. I was a little leery about dropping the coin and if it was really worth it. I'd buy the exact same setup again in a heart beat, but as a rule, I keep vehicles for a long time so I don't look at it as expensive in the long run if you buy quality. I also liked the extra offset you get with them over the +18 Methods. Pushes the tire just a little further out.. Everything cleared great on a stock tremor suspension.

Jason has an incredible wealth of knowledge! I made the mistake of asking him a technical question concerning hub centric wheels and I'm convinced I could build an atomic bomb if I actually understood the details of his response lol. My man knows his stuff.

As for powder vs anodized, my response if after having both over the past 7 years. The wheels that are anodized still look like the day I received them. The ones with powder coat have chips and scratches and are newer than my anodized wheels. I will only powder the rings from this point forward.

 

[gmbpilot757]

Lots of votes for the R/T Trail. Those that have them how are they? Louder than the stock Duratracs? That is the top end of my acceptable road noise threshold.

I don’t need 3 Peak SnowRating here in NC.

Had my Duratracs for 11k. I didn’t think the noise was bad. Have had my RT Trails now for almost 1k and love them. I think the noise is comparable to the Duratracs. Maybe ever so slightly louder but if so, barely.

 

[Cux211]

18's all the way. ... 20's were never an option for me, plus the woman appreciates the smoother ride.

Ok lol talked to Cody at cjc and Jason at innov8 got all my ducks in a row with the exception of the coin toss I’m gonna have to do between the g500 and g600

 

[Dok D]

Thanks for all of the info. "They" say a 37 will fit with a 5.5" BS wheel with the potential for minor trimming on the plastic trim piece on the lower part of the fender. I am leaning towards the 35X12.50 for this reason since I would hate to spend the money and have rubbing then be forced into a Carli suspension (not a bad dilemma just not ready to spend that $ yet) Plus storing a 37" spare is challenging.

I do not mind the overall height of the OEM tire but really do not like how it looks like its on Pizza cutter wheels hense the reason for going with a 18X9 G500 wheel.

With 6 votes for the 37 and 0 for the 35" tire right now, I would be very interested in people weighing in on why they chose the 37 (on stock suspension) and how they fit and ride.

What if I told you you could do a front lift level for about $400, not including shocks, and $500 with alignment?

I personally am between the AT4W and RTT in stock size despite my lift level because I don't have wheel money right now.

 

[Dok D]

have a new set for sale in colorado!

🔖 FOR SALE - (Colorado) New Toyo RT Trail tires 35x12.50x18

Purchased these on April 3, 2025. Mounted them and drove for less than 100 miles. They balanced out perfectly and were smooth as butter, zero issues. Decided to go to 37s tho. Located north of Denver, priced to move. 35x12.50x18 Open Country Toyo RT Trail $1600.

www.fordtremor.com

If I were going to be back out that way again soon, I'd snatch these up!

My oldest daughter lives up in FoCo.

 

[mink]

What's been your experience with the RGs? Had great luck with them on my F-150. Still running them on that truck.

Anything but a Ridge Grappler or Toyo RT

For me they were both like having ice skates on the truck in the bad weather. But I know a lot of you guys here don't have to worry about snow and ice so without that I think they would work fine.

 

[Cux211]

Anything but a Ridge Grappler or Toyo RT

For me they were both like having ice skates on the truck in the bad weather. But I know a lot of you guys here don't have to worry about snow and ice so without that I think they would work fine.

Same experience with ridge grapplers years ago were garbage in the snow and wore very fast never again

 

[Fozzy]

Anything but a Ridge Grappler or Toyo RT

For me they were both like having ice skates on the truck in the bad weather. But I know a lot of you guys here don't have to worry about snow and ice so without that I think they would work fine.

Totally agree.
I would have to use four wheel drive and the diff lock to pull the boat out on a wet concrete ramp with the Toyo RT’s worst wet weather tire I have ever used. Have not used the RTT at the ramp yet. Summer is almost here.

 

[Whaler27]

I’m a fan of the AT3. Quiet. Decent all-around tread pattern. Slightly bigger spaces for evacuating water, so slightly better than BFG KO2 when hitting standing water at speed, but still quiet. I prefer the slightly cushier ride of the 37s. (I’d happily buy KO3s too, if I never ran in mud. The KO2s were generally great on prior super duty trucks. Also, I’d hate to ruin the ride of the 37s by mounting them on 20” or bigger wheels that reduce the sidewall.)

My 37s fit comfortably with no mods and no rub on my 24, but I doubt that will be true on the 22.

Regardless of what “they” say, I’d want to make sure you had a chance to mount both front tires and check clearance lock to lock before purchase, as a tire rub is extremely irritating. It’s also irritating when you have to drop a bunch more money on the truck to provide the clearance needed to accommodate new tires… Several trucks ago that meant lift, cutting, endless screwing with suspension to reproduce the factory ride and steering, and AMP steps to help my wife and grandkids get into the truck. I’m not doing that again,

 

[McE]

Anything but a Ridge Grappler or Toyo RT

For me they were both like having ice skates on the truck in the bad weather. But I know a lot of you guys here don't have to worry about snow and ice so without that I think they would work fine.

Same experience with ridge grapplers years ago were garbage in the snow and wore very fast never again

Complete opposite experience for me with the RGs. Tread life has been great and I take the family Christmas tree hunting in the snow every winter. Last year we were pushing snow with the bumper. Bi-weekly commutes over the pass to Central OR. Never been stuck or felt like I didn’t have enough traction.

I also grew up driving lifted trucks with mud tires on hardpack snow and ice so maybe I’m just used to driving on hockey pucks, but the Ridge Grappler has been an excellent hybrid tire for us. I also run lower pressures and don’t share the sidewall stiffness complaints either. Understanding the intent and compromises of the RGs, I would buy them again.

 

[JDB]

Just bit the bullet and ordered a set of Innov8 Racing wheels for my 22' Tremor. Ended up landing on the G500 18x9 5.5" BS. Now I am trying to nail down the best tires for this thing.

Right now I am leaning towards a 35x12.50 since the truck is stock height on stock springs although a 37 is tempting and looks like they will fit, I don't know if it would make sense (37's about the same price or cheaper than a 35) (Then there is the spare storage dilemma)

Truck is primarily driven on road and although I love the look of the R/T, I do not want anything louder than the original Duratrac.

Help me pick the best tire and size! This is setup to pick one tire and one size!

Not knocking the Toyo R/T at all. I loved the look of it but couldn’t get rid of a vibration between 33-40 mph. They were Road Force balanced and well within range. Went through 6 different tires with same issue every time. Put the Duratracs back on and vibration was gone. Switched to Toyo A/T3 and no vibration. Really liked the R/T but just couldn’t get past the rear end vibration.

 

[Nitrodoc]

I changed my stock Duratracs out at 50K. I never was a fan with how loud they were and didn't perform well in the slightest bit of snow. I went with the Falken AT4s and they are so much better. Both quieter and better traction in snow. Others have commented how much quieter my truck is with them as well.

 

[Wapitispokes]

Just bit the bullet and ordered a set of Innov8 Racing wheels for my 22' Tremor. Ended up landing on the G500 18x9 5.5" BS. Now I am trying to nail down the best tires for this thing.

Right now I am leaning towards a 35x12.50 since the truck is stock height on stock springs although a 37 is tempting and looks like they will fit, I don't know if it would make sense (37's about the same price or cheaper than a 35) (Then there is the spare storage dilemma)

Truck is primarily driven on road and although I love the look of the R/T, I do not want anything louder than the original Duratrac.

Help me pick the best tire and size! This is setup to pick one tire and one size!

Avoid the Ridge Grappler. I am on on my second set on my 4R (yeah, dumb to have purchased the second set). While they might be good in aggressive off road situations they underperform on wet roads and snow. They are also extremely stiff and as a result offer a stiff ride - but that is more of a 4R problem than a Super Duty Tremor problem.

A little more discussion on your use case would be helpful. For instance, if a vehicle is "mostly driven on road" the question becomes - do you mean paved roads or the Dalton Highway (exaggerating for effect)? Another question becomes what is the "critical" use case. A user might drive "mostly on roads" but their critical use case is off-roading 10% of the time (or a long, hilly, muddy slog on the last mile home). If the downside from a failure to perform in the low frequency use case is vastly more costly / damaging / inconvenient than a little underperformance on pavement, then the selection tilts to a tougher off-road tire. IMO, decisions should not be made simply on volume of use in one scenario of another.

It sounds like you have almost zero need for a tread pattern more aggressive than AT, so don't go more aggressive. Road performance will be worse and noise will be higher.

 

[Wapitispokes]

Thanks for all of the info. "They" say a 37 will fit with a 5.5" BS wheel with the potential for minor trimming on the plastic trim piece on the lower part of the fender. I am leaning towards the 35X12.50 for this reason since I would hate to spend the money and have rubbing then be forced into a Carli suspension (not a bad dilemma just not ready to spend that $ yet) Plus storing a 37" spare is challenging.

I do not mind the overall height of the OEM tire but really do not like how it looks like its on Pizza cutter wheels hense the reason for going with a 18X9 G500 wheel.

With 6 votes for the 37 and 0 for the 35" tire right now, I would be very interested in people weighing in on why they chose the 37 (on stock suspension) and how they fit and ride.

I think it would be helpful if you explained your rationale and concerns related to 35's vs 37's. IMO, no need for 37's especially since you are not focused on off-roading. However, it appears that you are heavily focused on appearances even at the expense of performance. If true, it then becomes a question of how much do you want to spend to drive a truck with large tires mostly for looks?

Specifically, are you willing to use up a giant amount of bed space for a 37 inch spare (plus mounting expense) or are you prepared to spend yet another $3,600 for a Carli trophy hitch (sales price but tax but w/o shipping or installation....)?

Knowing only what I know now (without having read all the pages in the thread yet) I vote for 35" tires - and avoid the Ridge Grapplers for the reasons you already identified.

 

[Wapitispokes]

If CJC likes Nittos, they must be good:

Methinks it doesn't rain a lot in S. California. And when it does, it is a heavy seasonal storm. The RG poor wet road performance won't show up so much down there. Perhaps also the warmer temperatures are more accepting of the hard rubber compound - but that is conjecture. My RG did "okay" driving cross country from Seattle to N. Michigan in a massive blizzard when they were brand new. They wouldn't have done so well with 20,000 miles on them. And they just plain suck on wet roads.

RG's are also stiff. Which is a bigger problem on my 4R than it would be on a SD Tremor. I suspect that CJC isn't much of a fan of the RG now. Go to the Carli website - they do not like RG. They prefer the Toyo's and Falkens.

Since I live in Washington State, I prefer to hear tire opinions from folks that have driven a lot in the PNW conditions.

 

[McE]

Methinks it doesn't rain a lot in S. California. And when it does, it is a heavy seasonal storm. The RG poor wet road performance won't show up so much down there. Perhaps also the warmer temperatures are more accepting of the hard rubber compound - but that is conjecture. My RG did "okay" driving cross country from Seattle to N. Michigan in a massive blizzard when they were brand new. They wouldn't have done so well with 20,000 miles on them. And they just plain suck on wet roads.

RG's are also stiff. Which is a bigger problem on my 4R than it would be on a SD Tremor. I suspect that CJC isn't much of a fan of the RG now. Go to the Carli website - they do not like RG. They prefer the Toyo's and Falkens.

Since I live in Washington State, I prefer to hear tire opinions from folks that have driven a lot in the PNW conditions.

Wondering if the compound is different in some sizes. I know a few manufacturers do this. I'm just not seeing the same things people are complaining about with the RGs on my 150. 315/70R17 on that one. I live in the Willamette Valley - wet is an understatement.

I've run Toyo MTs, Toyo ATs, Cooper STTs, Cooper MTPs, several of the Falken Wildpeak line, and am very happy with the Ridge Grappler performance overall for my use case. I have no affiliation with Nitto, I just don't understand all the hate they get.

 

[mxvet]

I didn't like the 35x12.50x18 in the toyo RTT F rated. Were too stiff IMO, sure you can air them down to ~50, but then the steering is much more heavy, louder, and mpgs go down. Overall felt sluggish to me.