Yeah I hear this online and it’s not quite a true causation in my opinion. What I think generally happens is folks realize their cp4 is going bad and they’ve likely spun their crank. They take it to a mechanic who replaced the cp4 and perhaps the fuel system with a DCR and then the customer goes to drive it and realizes the crank gear is spun and then they blame it on the new pump. Or someone runs a really hot tune which could put more bearing pressure. I’m not saying it’s not possible butI think the likelihood of a DCR spinning the crank is less than the likelihood of a CP4 failing. If you want no risk then run a belt driven CP3.
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Dude preaching to the choir lol I’ve tried to explain exactly what you said on several occasions backed by 20+ years experience working on/building diesels I’ve dealt with some of the best tuners in the Cummins world over the years and it just fell on deaf ears, newbies with their first diesel ever that need to be walked through changing fuel filters know better lol I’ve never had an issue trying to help people but when people you know do not have the knowledge or wrong info continually want to argue with people that actually know what they’re talking about is absolutely infuriating maybe I’m just getting old and jaded dealing with these dumbass kids at work that think they know everything about being a lineman a couple years in lol anyway well said
I just read something S&S put out in an email about this more or less they said the dcr is essentially equal to a 10mm stroker pump and on their load bench test at factory levels put approximately 15% more load on the crank gear went on to say over 100k sold and have not had reports of spun crank gears but also went on to say this was at factory tuning levels and the dcr is capable of supplying much more fuel than the factory cal calls for so if the truck has a hot tune on it that 15% load would jump potentially much higher but they did not test for that and couldn’t put a percentage number to it, the way a took it was with stock tuning as long as there’s no previous stress from a cp4 failure on the crank gear there’s really nothing to worry about but if the truck is tuned then yes the possibility is there but there’s no data to put any kind of number to it
I saw that too, I commented on it asking how can you have a stance that goes it's so much easier on the system (look we can spin it by hand) to now coming out saying oh yeah it's 15% harder to turn at load we just magically tested it with what is essentially an electric dynometer by seeing the amp surge. Kind of builds a leve lof distrust especially how hard they pushed it and all the videos that are counterintuitive to that and so forth.
Blah blah fucking blah
You didn't explain a damn thing.
You called me multiple names, tried to talk atoms me, and ridiculed me without understanding what I was actually saying in the first place.
This isn't the first time your lack of comprehension has caused a fight.
Maybe start with my reply to the post you just quoted.
Take your time.... sound out the words and look the big ones up if you have to.
I stated within it that it was nothing personal, but brother you and I are rapidly getting to that point.
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Obviously a biased source(though not necessarily incorrect) but Josh @ RCD has recently posted some nerd stuff regarding the DCR "strain" on the gear vs the CP4.
6.7s have been throwing P0016 codes for a while now, and the last time I saw this much discussion on them was about a decade ago when the 2016s and the Patriot Warhammer files were both big news.
6.7s have been throwing P0016 codes for a while now, and the last time I saw this much discussion on them was about a decade ago when the 2016s and the Patriot Warhammer files were both big news.
because you said this above.
combined with this right here.
i'd like to point out that the OP asked about a tune
and you recommended a pedal monster and later a derringer.
id like to point you to a guy here that said this:
Yes. I recommended NOT doing a tune, and trying a pedal monster first. To save the warranty.because you said this above.
combined with this right here.
i'd like to point out that the OP asked about a tune
and you recommended a pedal monster and later a derringer.
id like to point you to a guy here that said this:
I never once said that a derringer was an ECM tune.
I (and Banks) said they don't make a derringer for the HO, because they already run extreme exhaust and trans temps, and Banks does not believe that you can safely extract very much more power from them than Ford already provided without a delete.
It was a data point, not an equation.
Sure, you can re write the ecm, trash the warranty, and turn them up as much as you want.... but is it wise to do so? I don't believe it is.
THAT is my entire argument.
I've been called multiple things by a single know it all asshole (typical of a lineman) for having an opinion contrary to his.
This isn't the first time and frankly, fuck that guy.
Everyone else here has been quite reasonable.
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Maybe it's semantics but I think were the confusion might stem from is "Safely extract very much more power from them than Ford already provided without a delete" - we've established that you CAN extract more power with emissions ON tunes. The term "delete" refers to removing emissions equipment. Both emissions on and emissions off tunes will yield significantly more power than the stock platform. So maybe what you're trying to say (not trying to put words in your mouth) is that "Banks does not believe that you can safely extract very much more power from them than Ford already provided without writing over the factory ECM" - That statement would be correct and then you are certainly entitled to your opinion regarding that. I do agree with you that there isn't much more to squeeze out of these trucks with anything inline so if you don't want to void your warranty then there isn't much you can do. With that said, F the warranty haha.
Exactly. That makes much more sense.
Thank you for your reasonable approach to the matter.
I guess I'll just have to be happy with a measly 500hp to the wheels, not being willing to void the warranty
It is funny isn’t it? 500hp trucks and we want MORE
The HO has to be close to 600 at the crank, considering the typical 17% drivetrain loss.
That's incredible.
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i have a sickness that am fine admiting, i just like tinkering with shit. I'd add an intake to a 1k hp car if it claimed to add another 20.
I just want reliability and functionality.
I drive my 600 ponnie 6.7 like a grandpa but just know that if I need to squeeze every ponnie of those out, I can and I will. Otherwise, you can catch me on the right lane doing the speed limit, listening to her sign to me.
I drive my 600 ponnie 6.7 like a grandpa but just know that if I need to squeeze every ponnie of those out, I can and I will. Otherwise, you can catch me on the right lane doing the speed limit, listening to her sign to me.
So, after some searching, I got some direct responses from AMDP and ASAP regarding their emissions on tuning.
Both companies can turn off the CCV sensor on an otherwise emissions friendly tune for the 23+ trucks. ASAP said it already should be, but if there are any codes that pop up they’ll take care of it.
Off to spend more money!
Both companies can turn off the CCV sensor on an otherwise emissions friendly tune for the 23+ trucks. ASAP said it already should be, but if there are any codes that pop up they’ll take care of it.
Off to spend more money!
Just in time for the holidays!
I know the feeling.Just in time for the holidays!
AMDP also just released their exclsuive 5-SOFT paired with 5 steering wheel hiss tune files. For those of us like me who already have a knob on the dash and want to keep it, you can but you can now use the steering wheel controls to alter your idle tune. The best of all worlds.
Other calibrators would jumble them together and tie them to an exclusive power level, whereas AMDP gives you the freedom to run any power level and choose how closed or open you want the vanes at idle, with 5 being fully closed for a full hiss and 1 delivering a low growl.
Waiting on black Friday to roll around to get all my goodies.
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- 2022 Chevy Trail Boss 6.2 daily driver till i decide what else i want
maybe you can find out why they never made a derringer for the 20-22 6.7. i would have been first in line !!
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The ASAP tunes and EZlynk are on the way so I will report back soon. Hope the Eventure kit is here soon as well so I can get that installed. Buying the truck is fun....but the build list is the really fun part!!
