SHTF anyone?

[Vermonster]

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(Not the people on this thread of course)

#bbqworldwide

 

[AZCO Snowbird]

Can one of you diesel guys pour kerosene in the tank and give us a readout on efficiency…thanks…also, I don’t think your fuel efficiency from the original post matters as you will be panicked getting to kids and moving as fast as reasonably possible…I did enjoy reading all 11 pages of this. I’m just glad I’m not the only one preparing for different levels of issues effecting our lives. I’m thinking north is the direction to go if you have to go. Be able to hunt, fish, and grow food when you can. Be able to provide shelter and warmth will be important. Water will be new gold. And with that - best of luck to us all…

 

[D5SQRL]

I love that this thread has been resurrected. I'll give a bit of an update. I got a HUMVEE trailer from the military auction site and put two tanks on it that give me the 120g and a Fillrite pump and hose on it. I don't have a photo on my computer, but I do have one while under construction so one tank is visible.
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The positives and challenges you all have laid out here are certainly what I have been going over for years and I appreciate your input. I chose the small trailer for the run flat tires and the hitch activated brakes. It helps with a lot of the problems. I've taken the trailer out a few times to refresh the gas (I fill my autos from this and then refill it every few months to keep the gas fresh). It works great.

The family plan is to get out of the population density problem areas before SHTF and not have to worry about the problems on the road. If we don't see it coming, this is the backup. We have a delay in the plan to let the worst of the road problems settle down, we have a location we all have scouted at the half-way point, and we do have HAM licenses and radios, but also a no-comms plan to execute even if we can't communicate. It's still loaded with risks, but we have tried to think of as much as we can.

Like all of you, I hope never to have to use it. I'll just keep the trailer for gas around the home (my tractor is a gasser), but if I have no option but to get out on the road, I have this and a few friends (is it too prepper to say MAG?) for security, and we'll head out.

In order to get out of the population density areas you're going to need a reliable push bumper, like one of those solid Setina bumpers. Actually here's one for sale!

FOR SALE - EVERYTHING MUST GO! Push Bumper, OEM Fogs, NEW Chains, Ram Dash Mount, Rear Dog Hammock

Recently sold my 2022 Tremor and have a few items that I'm selling. Setina Push Bumper. Excellent condition/no wear. Only on truck for a couple months. Never used to push anything. Unfortunately no PIT Maneuvers either. YOU CAN BE THE FIRST! Paid $523 in June 2023. Asking $400...

www.fordtremor.com

 

[Potato Wilson]

Interesting thread. How much is a person willing to endure to cling to life? And what really is the end game? I grew up off grid, decades ago. Out in the hills, we raised animals, had a 2 acre garden, preserved food, learned skills. True self sufficiency is next to impossible. I’ve lived an incredible life. I’m not afraid to die. But I might be afraid of surviving. That being said- I have a deep well hand pump for water, I have reserves of food, I have a vast array of hand tools, a big garden, chickens, and I still live well off the beaten path. One of the best things I’ve ever done is quit the news. I read the local paper, both pages, that’s it. I go about my day in total ignorant bliss when it comes to national and international affairs. I wouldn’t even had known people were still into “prepping” if I hadn’t come across this thread.
But I host a contest each year at an annual family campout on the ranch. Teams of 2 have to build a fire and boil a measured amount of water in a coffee can. Each team gets firewood, flint, steel, char cloth, and a hatchet to build their fire. Obviously fastest wins. I would have never imagined the enthusiasm and anticipation that has built for the event. And the competition is fierce! Last year we had 14 teams, had to have heats and a championship round. It’s an absolute blast! The younger folks think Im a survivalist, it’s funny .

 

[MJM_MWF]

I have been researching how to appropriately store diesel for sometime now.
I only have a small diesel tractor and will have the 6.7 when it arrives.
Would be very nervous to fill the truck with diesel that has sat for a bit on my property…
Any of y’all have stored diesel that you fill the truck with and if so how do you store it/how fast do you go through it??

 

[Jsukey]

This should be all the OP needs.

 

[TRAMPER]

This should be all the OP needs.

Same pic was posted on post #10 lol.

 

[Jsukey]

Same pic was posted on post #10 lol.

Great minds think alike!

 

[Vermonster]

Interesting thread. How much is a person willing to endure to cling to life? And what really is the end game? I grew up off grid, decades ago. Out in the hills, we raised animals, had a 2 acre garden, preserved food, learned skills. True self sufficiency is next to impossible. I’ve lived an incredible life. I’m not afraid to die. But I might be afraid of surviving. That being said- I have a deep well hand pump for water, I have reserves of food, I have a vast array of hand tools, a big garden, chickens, and I still live well off the beaten path. One of the best things I’ve ever done is quit the news. I read the local paper, both pages, that’s it. I go about my day in total ignorant bliss when it comes to national and international affairs. I wouldn’t even had known people were still into “prepping” if I hadn’t come across this thread.
But I host a contest each year at an annual family campout on the ranch. Teams of 2 have to build a fire and boil a measured amount of water in a coffee can. Each team gets firewood, flint, steel, char cloth, and a hatchet to build their fire. Obviously fastest wins. I would have never imagined the enthusiasm and anticipation that has built for the event. And the competition is fierce! Last year we had 14 teams, had to have heats and a championship round. It’s an absolute blast! The younger folks think Im a survivalist, it’s funny .

I love this. It sounds like you have it pretty well figured out.

I agree the news is a huge problem. Apparently, the news really started as a way to cover wars. Therefore the hard hitting stories about negative events continue to lead throughout the system.

No doubt their tactics can be polarizing. I really try to practice my life as loving thy neighbor and always doing right by others. It’s simple - but it’s worked for me.

…and kill killing the news is key. My father is glued to it. I can’t escape it all - but I sure do most of it.

 

[Donnie With A Dee]

Interesting thread. How much is a person willing to endure to cling to life? And what really is the end game? I grew up off grid, decades ago. Out in the hills, we raised animals, had a 2 acre garden, preserved food, learned skills. True self sufficiency is next to impossible. I’ve lived an incredible life. I’m not afraid to die. But I might be afraid of surviving. That being said- I have a deep well hand pump for water, I have reserves of food, I have a vast array of hand tools, a big garden, chickens, and I still live well off the beaten path. One of the best things I’ve ever done is quit the news. I read the local paper, both pages, that’s it. I go about my day in total ignorant bliss when it comes to national and international affairs. I wouldn’t even had known people were still into “prepping” if I hadn’t come across this thread.
But I host a contest each year at an annual family campout on the ranch. Teams of 2 have to build a fire and boil a measured amount of water in a coffee can. Each team gets firewood, flint, steel, char cloth, and a hatchet to build their fire. Obviously fastest wins. I would have never imagined the enthusiasm and anticipation that has built for the event. And the competition is fierce! Last year we had 14 teams, had to have heats and a championship round. It’s an absolute blast! The younger folks think Im a survivalist, it’s funny .

I'm moving to Potato's house!

 

[Skibum1681]

I love that this thread has been resurrected. I'll give a bit of an update. I got a HUMVEE trailer from the military auction site and put two tanks on it that give me the 120g and a Fillrite pump and hose on it. I don't have a photo on my computer, but I do have one while under construction so one tank is visible.
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The positives and challenges you all have laid out here are certainly what I have been going over for years and I appreciate your input. I chose the small trailer for the run flat tires and the hitch activated brakes. It helps with a lot of the problems. I've taken the trailer out a few times to refresh the gas (I fill my autos from this and then refill it every few months to keep the gas fresh). It works great.

The family plan is to get out of the population density problem areas before SHTF and not have to worry about the problems on the road. If we don't see it coming, this is the backup. We have a delay in the plan to let the worst of the road problems settle down, we have a location we all have scouted at the half-way point, and we do have HAM licenses and radios, but also a no-comms plan to execute even if we can't communicate. It's still loaded with risks, but we have tried to think of as much as we can.

Like all of you, I hope never to have to use it. I'll just keep the trailer for gas around the home (my tractor is a gasser), but if I have no option but to get out on the road, I have this and a few friends (is it too prepper to say MAG?) for security, and we'll head out.

Tell me more about the tires... does it have MIL-SPEC tires on it? Runflat is a definite plus but if they have a low speed rating (not sure if/how Mil tires area speed rated) that might be a detriment - just something to consider. Also what size? they look like 37's maybe?

 

[TRAMPER]

I’m actually suprised at the number of people preparing to bug out rather than shelter in place in a SHTF situation. I guess it’s very very geographic if you’re in a big city bugging out might be your best/ only option. I live way way out in the country on a road to no where. My plan is 100% to stay put. My truck is built out with a full camper and all the amenities so if the situation arises I could leave but that would be an absolute last resort. I’ve mentioned before but I’m certainly not prepped for an end of the world scenario but for a few weeks of weather of civil unrest I like to think I’ll be fine. If things drag on for months or years we are all fucked.

 

[Potato Wilson]

I'm moving to Potato's house!

Coffee's on the stove!

 

[OldCowboy]

Tell me more about the tires... does it have MIL-SPEC tires on it? Runflat is a definite plus but if they have a low speed rating (not sure if/how Mil tires area speed rated) that might be a detriment - just something to consider. Also what size? they look like 37's maybe?

Yeah, they are 37inch MIL-SPEC run flat tires . I don't know the rating but I've had them up to 70mph with no issues. Right now I have chevy rims and tires on the trailer just to save the run flats. The hole pattern is Chevy 2500 3/4 ton suburban which I also have as a utility vehicle. Here's a photo showing the tires and the high clearance axle and aluminum frame. No rust...ever.

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[Vermonster]

Yeah, they are 37inch MIL-SPEC run flat tires . I don't know the rating but I've had them up to 70mph with no issues. Right now I have chevy rims and tires on the trailer just to save the run flats. The hole pattern is Chevy 2500 3/4 ton suburban which I also have as a utility vehicle. Here's a photo showing the tires and the high clearance axle and aluminum frame. No rust...ever.

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I’ve been watching gov planet for options near me, but nothing is very local. A few people have some for sale around, but I assume we’ll marked up from auction. What do they end up going for at auction?

 

[Skibum1681]

I’ve been watching gov planet for options near me, but nothing is very local. A few people have some for sale around, but I assume we’ll marked up from auction. What do they end up going for at auction?

I think there is a way to look at past prices and sale locations on govplanet.

 

[OldCowboy]

I’ve been watching gov planet for options near me, but nothing is very local. A few people have some for sale around, but I assume we’ll marked up from auction. What do they end up going for at auction?

The selling price is pretty volatile. I paid $1750 which was slightly lower than average when I was looking. I've seen them go for as low as $800 but they are rare and the ones I saw had some wear. I've seen them go as high as $2600. This one had never been used. Still had the unmolested gel in the electrical plug and the nobbies on the tires. I had to replace the 24V lights to get them to work with my truck and I welded a rack over the tanks to put a cover on it. I should take an updated photo but I'm at work. Here's the weight specs.

 

[Skibum1681]

Yeah, they are 37inch MIL-SPEC run flat tires . I don't know the rating but I've had them up to 70mph with no issues. Right now I have chevy rims and tires on the trailer just to save the run flats. The hole pattern is Chevy 2500 3/4 ton suburban which I also have as a utility vehicle. Here's a photo showing the tires and the high clearance axle and aluminum frame. No rust...ever.

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Just stumbled across a bulletin relating to the tires. It mentions "when in convoy" I assume this means on the highway.

PREMATURE SIDEWALL BLOW-OUTS IN GOODYEAR WRANGLER MT/R TIRES ON THE HMMWV AND M1101, M1102, Heavy Chassis Trailers​

Subject: Safety Of Use (SOU) Message for our Sales contractors, Premature Sidewall Blow-Outs in Goodyear Wrangler MT/R Tires on the HMMWV and M1101, M1102, Heavy Chassis Trailers. Our DLA Disposition Services records indicate that a delivery order was issued through our Sales program for one of more of the below model vehicles. Models Affected: M996, 2310-01-111-2275, T38707; M997, 2310-01-111-2274, T38844; M997A1, 2310-01-372-3934, T38844; M997A2, 2310-01-380-8225, T38844; M1025, 2320-01-128-9551, T92242; M1025A1, 2320-01-371-9584, T92242; M1025A2/M1025R1, 2320-01-380-8233, T92242; M1026, 2320-01-128-9552, T92310; M1044, 2320-01-146-7189; M998, 2320-01-107-7155, T61494; M998A1, 2320-01-371-9577, T61494; M1038, 2320-01-107-7156, T61562; M1097, 2320-01-346-9317, T07679; M1097A1, 2320-01-371-9583, T07679; M1097A2/M1097R1, 2320-01-380-8604, T07679; M1123, 2320-01-455-9593; M1037, 2320-01-146-7193, T07543; M1121, 2320-01-456-1282, YF2021; M966, 2320-01-107-7153, T05096; M1045A2, 2320-01-380-8229; M997A3, 2310-01-595-3986, T38844; M997P1, 2310-01-523-1309, T38728; M1165, 2320-01-540-1993, T38873; M1165A1, 2320-01-540-2017, T56383; M1151, 2320-01-518-7330, T34704; M1151A1, 2320-01-540-2038, T34704; M1151P1, 2320-01-523-1316, T92514; M1152, 2320-01-518-7332, T11588; M1152A1, 2320-01-540-2007, T37588; M1152P1, 2302-01-523-1321, T38772; M1167, 2320-01-544-9638, T34840; M1113, 2320-01-412-0143, T61630; M1114, 2320-01-413-3739, T92446; M1116, 2320-01-418-7400; M1145, 2320-01-499-0015; M1101, 2330-01-387-5443, T95992; M1102, 2330-01-387-5426, T95924, 2-Wheel Heavy Chassis (HC) Trailer, 2330-01-387-5424. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX "WARNING"​ DEATH OR SERIOUS INJURY OR DAMAGE TO EQUIPMENT COULD OCCUR IF THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THIS MESSAGE ARE NOT FOLLOWED. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Synopsis: HMMWV vehicles and trailers which are equipped with Goodyear Wrangler MT/R tires have exhibited sidewall cracking which can lead to a tire failure at later stages of tire life. There have been reports of premature tire blow-outs on HMMWVs equipped with the Goodyear Wrangler MT/R during convoy missions on tires that are over 5 years of age. These failures increase the risk of a sudden blow-out with immediate loss of air pressure, accident or rollover of vehicle which could result in serious injury or death.. To date, there have been multiple reported blow-outs. Our records indicate we have issued one or more of these variants to you through our sales program. Expected results if failure occurs: If failure of the Goodyear Wrangler MT/R tire occurs, it increases the risk of a sudden blow-out which can result in loss of control of the vehicle causing accident or rollover. Sales Contractor Actions: Vehicles have been delivered to you on our sales contract in a “as is - where is” condition. Recommend you check tire lot # (see affected below), and if you deem appropriate, remove/replace immediately. DLA Disposition Services will not reimburse you or provide any type of credit under the sales contract for replacement tires. At a minimum, you must advise all future purchasers of this safety alert. Additionally, DLA Disposition Services recommends that you take action, as you deem appropriate, to advise any of your customers who may have purchased affected vehicles prior to this alert being issued. Only the Goodyear Wrangler MT/R is affected by this message: 37x12.50R16.5LT Goodyear Wrangler MT/R (Load Range D Tire NSN 2610-01-541-4090 used on Tire/Wheel Assembly NSN 2530-01-558-2138) and (Load Range E Tire NSN 2610-01-563-8328 used on Tire/Wheel Assembly NSN 2530-01-563-8620). ​ (1) If Goodyear Wrangler MT/R is found on vehicle including spare or trailer, user shall locate the DOT (Department of Transportation) Serial Code located on one side of the tire sidewall. If DOT Code is not on one sidewall of the tire, look on the other side to locate. The DOT Code is a sequence of alphanumeric characters that begins with the letters DOT. The last four digits of the DOT sequence correspond to the DOT date code which is the 2 digit week and 2 digit year of production of the tire. Example: DOT Code with last four digits 1713 indicates the tire was produced in the 17th week of calendar year (CY) 2013. (2) If HMMWV vehicle including spare or trailer has Goodyear Wrangler MT/R tire that is over 5 years from date of tire manufacture or will exceed 5 years from the date of manufacture before next scheduled maintenance, it is affected by this message and tire/wheel assembly should be replaced even if tire appears serviceable and tread is not worn. Affected wheel assemblies should be considered unserviceable and removed and disposed of in accordance with local and state guidelines. DLA Disposition Services is not recalling or requesting the vehicles or tires be returned. DLA Disposition Services is alerting you of the safety potential to remove and replace the affected tires. DLA Disposition Services Point of Contact for this message is: Keith A. Jepsen DLA Disposition Services, J422 Sales Contracting Office 74 North Washington Avenue Battle Creek, Michigan 49037 COM: (269) 961-7124 Cell: (269) 832-9991 EMAIL: [email protected]

 

[OldCowboy]

Just stumbled across a bulletin relating to the tires. It mentions "when in convoy" I assume this means on the highway.

PREMATURE SIDEWALL BLOW-OUTS IN GOODYEAR WRANGLER MT/R TIRES ON THE HMMWV AND M1101, M1102, Heavy Chassis Trailers​

Subject: Safety Of Use (SOU) Message for our Sales contractors, Premature Sidewall Blow-Outs in Goodyear Wrangler MT/R Tires on the HMMWV and M1101, M1102, Heavy Chassis Trailers. Our DLA Disposition Services records indicate that a delivery order was issued through our Sales program for one of more of the below model vehicles. Models Affected: M996, 2310-01-111-2275, T38707; M997, 2310-01-111-2274, T38844; M997A1, 2310-01-372-3934, T38844; M997A2, 2310-01-380-8225, T38844; M1025, 2320-01-128-9551, T92242; M1025A1, 2320-01-371-9584, T92242; M1025A2/M1025R1, 2320-01-380-8233, T92242; M1026, 2320-01-128-9552, T92310; M1044, 2320-01-146-7189; M998, 2320-01-107-7155, T61494; M998A1, 2320-01-371-9577, T61494; M1038, 2320-01-107-7156, T61562; M1097, 2320-01-346-9317, T07679; M1097A1, 2320-01-371-9583, T07679; M1097A2/M1097R1, 2320-01-380-8604, T07679; M1123, 2320-01-455-9593; M1037, 2320-01-146-7193, T07543; M1121, 2320-01-456-1282, YF2021; M966, 2320-01-107-7153, T05096; M1045A2, 2320-01-380-8229; M997A3, 2310-01-595-3986, T38844; M997P1, 2310-01-523-1309, T38728; M1165, 2320-01-540-1993, T38873; M1165A1, 2320-01-540-2017, T56383; M1151, 2320-01-518-7330, T34704; M1151A1, 2320-01-540-2038, T34704; M1151P1, 2320-01-523-1316, T92514; M1152, 2320-01-518-7332, T11588; M1152A1, 2320-01-540-2007, T37588; M1152P1, 2302-01-523-1321, T38772; M1167, 2320-01-544-9638, T34840; M1113, 2320-01-412-0143, T61630; M1114, 2320-01-413-3739, T92446; M1116, 2320-01-418-7400; M1145, 2320-01-499-0015; M1101, 2330-01-387-5443, T95992; M1102, 2330-01-387-5426, T95924, 2-Wheel Heavy Chassis (HC) Trailer, 2330-01-387-5424. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX "WARNING"​ DEATH OR SERIOUS INJURY OR DAMAGE TO EQUIPMENT COULD OCCUR IF THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THIS MESSAGE ARE NOT FOLLOWED. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Synopsis: HMMWV vehicles and trailers which are equipped with Goodyear Wrangler MT/R tires have exhibited sidewall cracking which can lead to a tire failure at later stages of tire life. There have been reports of premature tire blow-outs on HMMWVs equipped with the Goodyear Wrangler MT/R during convoy missions on tires that are over 5 years of age. These failures increase the risk of a sudden blow-out with immediate loss of air pressure, accident or rollover of vehicle which could result in serious injury or death.. To date, there have been multiple reported blow-outs. Our records indicate we have issued one or more of these variants to you through our sales program. Expected results if failure occurs: If failure of the Goodyear Wrangler MT/R tire occurs, it increases the risk of a sudden blow-out which can result in loss of control of the vehicle causing accident or rollover. Sales Contractor Actions: Vehicles have been delivered to you on our sales contract in a “as is - where is” condition. Recommend you check tire lot # (see affected below), and if you deem appropriate, remove/replace immediately. DLA Disposition Services will not reimburse you or provide any type of credit under the sales contract for replacement tires. At a minimum, you must advise all future purchasers of this safety alert. Additionally, DLA Disposition Services recommends that you take action, as you deem appropriate, to advise any of your customers who may have purchased affected vehicles prior to this alert being issued. Only the Goodyear Wrangler MT/R is affected by this message: 37x12.50R16.5LT Goodyear Wrangler MT/R (Load Range D Tire NSN 2610-01-541-4090 used on Tire/Wheel Assembly NSN 2530-01-558-2138) and (Load Range E Tire NSN 2610-01-563-8328 used on Tire/Wheel Assembly NSN 2530-01-563-8620).​ (1) If Goodyear Wrangler MT/R is found on vehicle including spare or trailer, user shall locate the DOT (Department of Transportation) Serial Code located on one side of the tire sidewall. If DOT Code is not on one sidewall of the tire, look on the other side to locate. The DOT Code is a sequence of alphanumeric characters that begins with the letters DOT. The last four digits of the DOT sequence correspond to the DOT date code which is the 2 digit week and 2 digit year of production of the tire. Example: DOT Code with last four digits 1713 indicates the tire was produced in the 17th week of calendar year (CY) 2013. (2) If HMMWV vehicle including spare or trailer has Goodyear Wrangler MT/R tire that is over 5 years from date of tire manufacture or will exceed 5 years from the date of manufacture before next scheduled maintenance, it is affected by this message and tire/wheel assembly should be replaced even if tire appears serviceable and tread is not worn. Affected wheel assemblies should be considered unserviceable and removed and disposed of in accordance with local and state guidelines. DLA Disposition Services is not recalling or requesting the vehicles or tires be returned. DLA Disposition Services is alerting you of the safety potential to remove and replace the affected tires. DLA Disposition Services Point of Contact for this message is: Keith A. Jepsen DLA Disposition Services, J422 Sales Contracting Office 74 North Washington Avenue Battle Creek, Michigan 49037 COM: (269) 961-7124 Cell: (269) 832-9991 EMAIL: [email protected]

Yeah, Luckly I saw that while researching buying the trailer. I checked the tires and they are not the Goodyears, thank goodness.

 

[Skibum1681]

One more thing about tires then I'll stop.

DO NOT EVER try to mount 16" tires on 16.5" rims

DO NOT EVER try to mount 16.5" tires on 16" rims

Although they will both mount, when inflating they will both come off the rim and possibly take off a limb/head in the process.