Newbie Towing Question...Can I Yank It?

[gommer]

Id run it. Truck will haul it just fine. I bet you most of the fifthwheels on here are prolly at payload or damn close. People get so caught up being tow police. Look around your towns and see how many landscapers and trade workers haulin way to heavy for the trucks they are using. Even most of the half tons haulin 36ft campers everyweekend are overloaded

Just a random aside, I saw an F-150 platinum towing a 5th wheel the other day. Thing had to be riding on its bump stops.

The way half tons are rated these days, they’ve got enough payload to legally tow with their front tires floating. It’s absurd.

No idea on the 5th wheels weight but it was painted so it wasn’t some lightweight thing even if it was 30ft, which is probably about what it was. Dude was going maybe 40 in a 65, my guess is that was max speed he could still turn at.

 

[Skibum1681]

Id run it. Truck will haul it just fine. I bet you most of the fifthwheels on here are prolly at payload or damn close. People get so caught up being tow police. Look around your towns and see how many landscapers and trade workers haulin way to heavy for the trucks they are using. Even most of the half tons haulin 36ft campers everyweekend are overloaded

I would not take this advice. I'm not sure of how much he has towed heavy but saying its ok because some people (idiots) tow giant RV's with half tons is just foolish.

The 4 ton machine is probably ok, if loaded properly on a good trailer. The 5.5 ton machine, no way

My track skidsteer (11,000#) on my pintle hook trailer comes in at about 16,500. There is no way I would tow any more than that on a SRW truck; that pushes the F550 around. I don't care what Ford say is ok.

If the 40 will suit your needs, get that and a good trailer. If you really want to dig a pond the U55 isn't big enough any ways. If you plan on keeping it at your property 90% of the time another option is to have a tow or hauling company move it for a couple hundred and save the $15,000 trailer cost.

To each their own...

 

[bmwbiologist]

Hey there tow experts!

I have the '22 F-350 Tremor with the 11,500lbs option and the 6.7. My yellow door jam is max is 3,048lbs. Am I able to yank this option below...

I am kicking the rubber tracks of a Kubota U55-4 (~13,000lbs) excavator really as a toy. What I mean by "toy" is something I can play on my property with, put in a pond, build some walls, level some land, remove a stump or 2, and burry an occasional horse. I may transport it to and from my parents/in-laws to help with whatever they need done too. I can tell you some of the best therapy I have had was in the cab of an excavator - or even sitting on the tractor. Maybe I will get into some driveway repair and begin an LLC for weekend stuff - who knows.

Next (or likely before - lol) I will be looking at and a trailer. I have the factory Ford 5th wheel / gooseneck set-up from the factory, but also the bumper pull option, obviously. My father-in-law has a 2019 Chevy 2500 Duramax with a bumper option only (not that he could not install the 5th/goose option) so I am thinking of a trailer that we both could use right off the bat - caring is sharing.

I am conscious of the weight, though. The machine plus the trailer will begin adding up quick - and I am not ever looking to exceed the trucks abilities. I am looking to use a flatbed trailer for the excavator, but also to haul my car around that I am restoring - as well as a few other cars.

Any advice before I go out to dealerships?

Yes.
the capacity on the door is the load on the truck only not the trailer it is pulling. The trailer and truck work together to spread the weight and displacement. the trailer supports the weight of the tractor and the truck supports the tongue weight of the trailer. Load up and enjoy.

 

[Skibum1681]

Yes.
the capacity on the door is the load on the truck only not the trailer it is pulling. The trailer and truck work together to spread the weight and displacement. the trailer supports the weight of the tractor and the truck supports the tongue weight of the trailer. Load up and enjoy.

^^ This is not correct...

Based on this theory I could rig up a semi trailer to my Tremor and pull 100,000 pounds. After all the trailer is what is holding the weight...

 

[ECHO-24]

This setup is 20,850. Bought this for around my property, I needed a machine that I could safely haul in the 14' dump trailer.
Tow's perfect. Hitachi Zaxis 35U, and it handles a 36" muck bucket just fine.
2020 F350, 7.3

 

[surfndad]

Hey there tow experts!

I have the '22 F-350 Tremor with the 11,500lbs option and the 6.7. My yellow door jam is max is 3,048lbs. Am I able to yank this option below...

I am kicking the rubber tracks of a Kubota U55-4 (~13,000lbs) excavator really as a toy. What I mean by "toy" is something I can play on my property with, put in a pond, build some walls, level some land, remove a stump or 2, and burry an occasional horse. I may transport it to and from my parents/in-laws to help with whatever they need done too. I can tell you some of the best therapy I have had was in the cab of an excavator - or even sitting on the tractor. Maybe I will get into some driveway repair and begin an LLC for weekend stuff - who knows.

Next (or likely before - lol) I will be looking at and a trailer. I have the factory Ford 5th wheel / gooseneck set-up from the factory, but also the bumper pull option, obviously. My father-in-law has a 2019 Chevy 2500 Duramax with a bumper option only (not that he could not install the 5th/goose option) so I am thinking of a trailer that we both could use right off the bat - caring is sharing.

I am conscious of the weight, though. The machine plus the trailer will begin adding up quick - and I am not ever looking to exceed the trucks abilities. I am looking to use a flatbed trailer for the excavator, but also to haul my car around that I am restoring - as well as a few other cars.

Any advice before I go out to dealerships?

If you google it the 2020 F250 with a fifth wheel has a towing capacity of 20,000 and that’s with the 7.3 gas v8. I’m towing about 11,000 and don’t even know it’s back there except for the 9 mpg

 

[RyanP]

This setup is 20,850. Bought this for around my property, I needed a machine that I could safely haul in the 14' dump trailer.
Tow's perfect. Hitachi Zaxis 35U, and it handles a 36" muck bucket just fine.
2020 F350, 7.3

20850 with truck and trailer?

 

[Skibum1681]

20850 with truck and trailer?

That sounds about right. The machine should be about 7500-8000 depending on options.

 

[Skibum1681]

This setup is 20,850. Bought this for around my property, I needed a machine that I could safely haul in the 14' dump trailer.
Tow's perfect. Hitachi Zaxis 35U, and it handles a 36" muck bucket just fine.
2020 F350, 7.3

This is a pretty optimal set up for someone doing light work or property maintenance. Big enough to be capable, light enough to haul, trailer to get stone, topsoil, mulch, take stuff away, no CDL.

I prefer a deck over trailer but we have a F550 dump so don't need the dump trailer.

There is a reason this is the most popular size mini.

 

[2020Tremor]

I also have questioned the hauling issue. I have looked into renting a mini that weighs in just under 11K similar to the KX-40 you are looking at. With a 16K rated trailer you should be within capacities both truck and trailer but have to deal with the CDL issue.

My question is would it be legal to haul it on a 14K GN that weighs in 4K to 5K LBS? With 15% to 20% of the trailer weight taken on the truck with pin weight keeping the trailer axles tires from being overloaded with the ~11K mini. I may be all wet on my logic on being able to legally handle the load you are looking at with a 14K rated trailer to ensure you stay out of the CDL territory.

A aluminum 14K trailer may be the way to go to avoid any ambiguity even with a KX-40

 

[Modman]

My question is would it be legal to haul it on a 14K GN that weighs in 4K to 5K LBS? With 15% to 20% of the trailer weight taken on the truck with pin weight keeping the trailer axles tires from being overloaded with the ~11K mini

See my earlier post: https://www.fordtremor.com/threads/newbie-towing-question-can-i-yank-it.9930/post-212145

The answer is at 20% (with the payload @Vermonster listed) legal capacity of the truck is exceeded. At 15% there is potentially headroom depending on how much other stuff you have in the truck.

Edit: Also you would have to match the exact machine and trailer combo so as not to exceed the trailer capacity. A quick search found a 16' 14k equipment trailer with an 11,040lb capacity. A KX-040 is listed at 10,360lbs with steel tracks and a cab. I think that is "dry" though so you would have to add fluids and bucket weight to that...

 

[Skibum1681]

I also have questioned the hauling issue. I have looked into renting a mini that weighs in just under 11K similar to the KX-40 you are looking at. With a 16K rated trailer you should be within capacities both truck and trailer but have to deal with the CDL issue.

My question is would it be legal to haul it on a 14K GN that weighs in 4K to 5K LBS? With 15% to 20% of the trailer weight taken on the truck with pin weight keeping the trailer axles tires from being overloaded with the ~11K mini. I may be all wet on my logic on being able to legally handle the load you are looking at with a 14K rated trailer to ensure you stay out of the CDL territory.

A aluminum 14K trailer may be the way to go to avoid any ambiguity even with a KX-40

Based on my understanding the trailer GVW is the max loaded weight of the trailer. This INCLUDES the tongue weight.

So a 14k trailer with a weight 4k and an excavator of 11k (4k + 11k = 15k) will be 1,000# over weight; even though 1,500-2,000#+/- will be transferred to the truck.

You wont be over on axles (a 14k trailer will likely have 2-7,000# axles), you will be over on GVW

 

[2020Tremor]

Based on my understanding the trailer GVW is the max loaded weight of the trailer. This INCLUDES the tongue weight.

So a 14k trailer with a weight 4k and an excavator of 11k (4k + 11k = 15k) will be 1,000# over weight; even though 1,500-2,000#+/- will be transferred to the truck.

You wont be over on axles (a 14k trailer will likely have 2-7,000# axles), you will be over on GVW

I ask since got weighed by the local DOT officer years ago when I rented equipment. The DOT officer seemed most concerned verifying my axle and tire ratings were not exceed. Also was very focused on tire pressure. He didn’t make me uncouple to check total trailer weight but maybe would have gone different if it wasn’t for personal use. The setup I rented was overloaded on the GVWR but not the axles and tires of the trailer using what the trailer axles and my coupled tow rig rear axle actually weighed in at. I may have just been given a break since it was all rented, didn’t think to ask at that time.

 

[Skibum1681]

I ask since got weighed by the local DOT officer years ago when I rented equipment. The DOT officer seemed most concerned verifying my axle and tire ratings were not exceed. Also was very focused on tire pressure. He didn’t make me uncouple to check total trailer weight but maybe would have gone different if it wasn’t for personal use. The setup I rented was overloaded on the GVWR but not the axles and tires of the trailer using what the trailer axles and my coupled tow rig rear axle actually weighed in at. I may have just been given a break since it was all rented, didn’t think to ask at that time.

This is a good example of officer discretion. He checked the important things and let you carry on. I assume you were under 26,000# either in actual weight and/or GCWR? There is so much interpretation, confusion, and differences of opinions towing at or near any one components limit (truck, trailer, or license) greatly increases your chances of getting hung out.