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Yeah, about ~1000lbs more
Newbie Towing Question...Can I Yank It?
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It is actually pretty crazy in all reality...Yeah, about ~1000lbs more
@Vermonster has an F350 6.7 w/ 11500lb GVWR and 3048lb payload = 8452lb curb
My truck is an F250 7.3 w/10000lb GVWR and 2720lb payload = 7280lb curb.
Both Lariat Tremors btw, so equivalent rear axle, suspension, and trim...
Adjust for things like the factory winch and moon roof and it is probably right at 1000lb difference...
That’s not true since many states off non-commercial class A licenses. Look at the weight limits of a class C (or your state’s equivalent) and you’ll probably find that it’s limited to 26k.On the question of CDL or no CDL, I've always found this reference to be helpful.
Do you need a CDL for your new HD truck or RV? The truth
New trucks claiming maximum towing numbers with BIG, BOLD NUMBERS causing a lot of concern about needing a CDL license. Here’s the truth.pickuptrucktalk.com
"Recreation or commercial towing?
The first place to start with answering the CDL question, is the type of towing you are doing. Let’s say you are towing an RV camper to a lake. Are you doing this to get paid? Then, no, no matter what weight, what state or what truck you are using, you don’t need a CDL.
Let’s go over that again and this is a key question: Are you towing for compensation, as part of a job, to get paid? If the answer is no, then stop reading, tell your friends they are wrong and move along."
I think where people get tripped up on this is that they find the weight information in the law, but they miss that the law is typically structured in a way that you wouldn't even fall under that section if not towing commercially.
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You may not need a cdl but you’ll need a class A in many states and in some states you may not have a way to legally do it without a cdl if they don’t offer exceptions or a non-cdl class A.
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Hope you never have an accident or incident while taking your chances. Insurance companies are always looking for an excuse to not cover something.
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"Hope" not required. I live in Ohio and don't need it for an RV or commercial trailer used for non-business purposes, regardless of GCWR.
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@Himni - as a side note here - I specifically told my insurance agent my situation. He has my truck info, my trailer info, everything (he covers everything obviously). I asked him if I was required to have a CDL or have any special insurance for my setup. He said not at all, you don’t drive commercially, and you’re covered and good to go.
Any class III hitch is only rated to tow 15,000 pounds max no matter what vehicle it is attached to. You have to use a goose neck or a 5th wheel to tow more. It doesn't matter the type of engine gas or diesel. The major limiting factor is your method of towing (i.e. class III hitch, goose neck, or 5th wheel). Pay attention to the limits on the class III hitch or goose neck or 5th wheel. The type of hitch you choose is the real limiting factor.
Our trucks don't have Class III hitches.
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Here's a particularly vexing question regarding special, state-specific licensure requirements...
The FEDERAL requirements for a CDL do not apply to non-commercial vehicle or trailer use, regardless of GVWR, GCWR, etc, but there are some states that have non-commercial licensure requirements which vary based on either trailer length or GCWR (or GVWR) limits that they specify.
So, what about interstate travel? Do the non-commercial, state-specific licensing requirements of one state apply to non-residents? As an OH resident, I have an OH driver's license, which does not recognize or allow for special endorsements issued by other states and it is illegal for someone to own a driver's license from more than one state at the same time. So, it would be impossible for me to have any such special endorsement required by these other states for non-commercial towing/large vehicle operation.
What a mess.
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The FEDERAL requirements for a CDL do not apply to non-commercial vehicle or trailer use, regardless of GVWR, GCWR, etc, but there are some states that have non-commercial licensure requirements which vary based on either trailer length or GCWR (or GVWR) limits that they specify.
So, what about interstate travel? Do the non-commercial, state-specific licensing requirements of one state apply to non-residents? As an OH resident, I have an OH driver's license, which does not recognize or allow for special endorsements issued by other states and it is illegal for someone to own a driver's license from more than one state at the same time. So, it would be impossible for me to have any such special endorsement required by these other states for non-commercial towing/large vehicle operation.
What a mess.
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Interstate travel falls under Federal jurisdiction, period. This is why, in every state, you will see an exemption for any CDL requirements for interstate travel. Anything else would fall outside their jurisdiction and even if the law was written incorrectly it would not be enforceable.
We have class V hitches which will handle up to
Sorry, class V.
Class V hitches used as weight carrying are rated up to 12,000 lbs. gross trailer weight (GTW) with a 1200 lbs. maximum trailer tongue weight (TW). Class V hitches used for weight distributing are rated up to 17,000 lbs.
ReeseHitches.com | All Towing and Trailer Parts
Reese Hitches' Home Page offers top-quality trailer hitches and towing solutions, serving light to heavy-duty needs with reliability and precision.
www.reese-hitches.com
Also, this web site from Ford was very helpful:
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Yes, in my opinion it is ambiguous and somewhat left up to interpretation as others have stated. The F250 Tremor worked quite well for my needs (some of you may be sick of me saying this, hahaha). Compared to the non-tremor it is 24.9K GCWR and 10K GVWR which removes me from much of the ambiguity. For me it fits my usage perfectly vs. going non-Tremor F350 which would have put me at 27.5K GCWR or forced me to a 3.73 rear end @ 23.5K GCWR.
I look at risk from an engineering FMEA perspective. Having an issue related to this has a very low probability of occurrence, but a potentially high severity (impact) and thus still requires consideration. For my case (mid-size travel trailer) there was an acceptable alternative but for others there may not be. Ultimately everyone has to make the best choice for themselves...
The TREMOR Towing Table
This table simplifies and clarifies the Ford Towing Guide strictly for Tremor variants: FOOTNOTES: These numbers currently reflect 2021-2022 models. Derate options (like the 11400# package) are not shown here and will reduce these numbers proportional to the GVWR in this table versus your...
www.fordtremor.com
The maximum conventional tow rating of our trucks is 15000#
But some of our trucks (F-350's) in some states with some licenses (non-CDL) will be limited by regulations before hitting that manufacturer limit.
If state regulations do not apply, then just work backwards from 15k# when bumper pulling to ballpark. 15k - 2k (aluminum) to 4k (steel) for a trailer = available trailer payload.
TL;DR: it gets difficult to pull more than 10k# of payload on the bumper of any of these trucks without getting creative. But if you get creative you might be able to get up to 13k# or so of payload on a bumper pull trailer.
This conversation is largely irrelevant to RVs.
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We have class V hitches which will handle up to
Sorry, class V.
Class V hitches used as weight carrying are rated up to 12,000 lbs. gross trailer weight (GTW) with a 1200 lbs. maximum trailer tongue weight (TW). Class V hitches used for weight distributing are rated up to 17,000 lbs.
ReeseHitches.com | All Towing and Trailer Parts
Reese Hitches' Home Page offers top-quality trailer hitches and towing solutions, serving light to heavy-duty needs with reliability and precision.
Also, this web site from Ford was very helpful:
My Class V hitch clearly states that IT'S capacity is 21,000 pounds (there maybe a few hundred pounds more, cant remember).
Since I have a Tremor I am maxed out 15,000 pounds but the hitch is not the limiting factor.
The Ford specs you linked clearly show that a Crew Cab, F350 SRW with 3.55 gearing and a 6.7 has a max conventional towing capacity of 20,000 pounds (the Tremor specifically is limited to 15,000 according to the Ford Towing Guide).
Maybe Reese's Class V hitches are limited 12,000/17,000 but the Ford hitch on my truck is limited to 21,000.
Id run it. Truck will haul it just fine. I bet you most of the fifthwheels on here are prolly at payload or damn close. People get so caught up being tow police. Look around your towns and see how many landscapers and trade workers haulin way to heavy for the trucks they are using. Even most of the half tons haulin 36ft campers everyweekend are overloaded
