F250 with high cap tow package = f350?

[rhines81]

My Tremor (I am repeating myself now for the 37th time...sorry)....was built day 2 of Super Duty production 5 November 2019. I didn't even know what I really bought. But after more than a year of ownership...and having this discussion for the 5th or 6th time. We have counted crossmembers, crawled under and photographed suspension part numbers, video'd a 250 7.3 next to a 350 6.7...and on and on....AND on.........

Here is what we found over 1 year. There are 3 differences between a F250 Tremor and a F350 Tremor of the same engine type. The fender Badge, the numbers written on the yellow cargo capacity sticker, and the numbers written on the white GVWR sticker.

There are a couple of differences between a 6.7 and a 7.3. The engine, the front coils, and the trailer hitch.

Those are the facts. I might have missed something between different engines..........but a F250 Tremor is the same Truck as a F350 Tremor.

I'm in agreement 99.5%... but there is still the ~100# difference in base curb weights between the F250/350, maybe that is sticker mumbo jumbo too, but would like to find 2 identical vehicles, one 250 and one 350 and put them on a scale with full tanks (if they are the same, then they really shouldn't be off by more than 20-30# in actual weight). If there is an actual 100#+ difference, I think it needs to be looked into more -BUT, that is only my 0.5% talking.

 

[davidb1841]

A master ford tech at the Minnesota Ford dealership I ordered from, said F350 Tremor 6.7 with the 5th wheel prep has an additional crossmember brace and sturdier frame than the f250 6.7 or 7.3 or 7.3 F350. I questioned whether that was true but figured since he has worked for Ford for 23 years, he me know more than me.
According to him, on paper, the highest capacity Tremor for gvwr and towing is a F350 6.7 Tremor with the 5th wheel prep NO SUNROOF.

We have kinda searched for that crossmember...no one has found it. I have read about it...but we have not found it....Also my 250 has the 5th wheel prep PKG and no sunroof and its not the highest rated 250 at 2730 CC. I am pretty sure the frames are identical. So we just have not actually found the difference to date. For what it is worth........

Side note: My Truck weighs exactly 8600 LBS with my toolbox, vinyl tonneau, 18x9 methods 295/70 Cooper STT Pros, Seat Covers, Sumo Springs Front/Rear, German Shephard, Wife, and Me...Tank was full. Lariat Ultimate 6.7 no sunroof.

 

[Briski]

Any accessories (added weight) subtract away from your payload weight. It is really that simple.

 

[ICT Tremor]

A master ford tech at the Minnesota Ford dealership I ordered from, said F350 Tremor 6.7 with the 5th wheel prep has an additional crossmember brace and sturdier frame than the f250 6.7 or 7.3 or 7.3 F350. I questioned whether that was true but figured since he has worked for Ford for 23 years, he knows more than me.
According to him, on paper, the highest capacity Tremor for gvwr and towing is a F350 6.7 Tremor with the 5th wheel prep NO SUNROOF.

Highest GVWR on a Tremor would be a 350 7.3 XLT with literally no further options.

 

[rhines81]

Highest GVWR on a Tremor would be a 350 7.3 XLT with literally no further options.

.... except for Carpet delete ... that'll net you a whopping 6# extra payload. The all-weather floormats gotta go to --- they are 18#.

 

[Raspy]

The F350 6.7 Tremor with the 5th wheel prep package has an additional crossmember brace that the F250 does not have. For registration purposes the F350 will cost more, has a higher gvwr and in theory by DOT regs can handle and tow more

My F250 Tremor is coming with the 5th wheel prep package. It is not unique to the 350.

 

[WildWest]

I posted this earlier on the Airbag thread.

This is the quote from fourwheeler.com: https://www.fourwheeler.com/news/20...cks use the standard,6.7L Power Stroke diesel.

The F-350 Has Got To Be Stiffer, Right?​

Since the Tremor package can be added to so many different models we were eager to try them all. However, in talking to the many Ford engineers who were present at the drive program, we quickly learned that both the F-250 and F-350 Tremor share the same rear springs. Both trucks use the standard-rate F-350 rear leaf spring pack. So, when you buy an F-250 Tremor, you're really getting F-350 hardware.

 

[Prospect]

I posted this earlier on the Airbag thread.

This is the quote from fourwheeler.com: https://www.fourwheeler.com/news/20...cks use the standard,6.7L Power Stroke diesel.

The F-350 Has Got To Be Stiffer, Right?​

Since the Tremor package can be added to so many different models we were eager to try them all. However, in talking to the many Ford engineers who were present at the drive program, we quickly learned that both the F-250 and F-350 Tremor share the same rear springs. Both trucks use the standard-rate F-350 rear leaf spring pack. So, when you buy an F-250 Tremor, you're really getting F-350 hardware.

The F250 and F350 Tremor share a unique rear leaf that is different from a non Tremor F350. They designed the eye at each end of the main leaf with a bend to improve geometry.

 

[Baddestt]

So really, there is no point in buying the F350 tremor over f250 tremor. Unless you need the higher weight capacity for DOT standards. Otherwise your paying more and higher registration fees with f350.

Both use the sane dana super 60 front and Dana m275 rear.

There was just some information going around that the f350 tremor 6.7, no sun roof with 5th wheel package had more structural reinforcement from the factory.

But seems like that's not true

 

[KGDilly]

My Tremor (I am repeating myself now for the 37th time...sorry)....was built day 2 of Super Duty production 5 November 2019. I didn't even know what I really bought. But after more than a year of ownership...and having this discussion for the 5th or 6th time. We have counted crossmembers, crawled under and photographed suspension part numbers, video'd a 250 7.3 next to a 350 6.7...and on and on....AND on.........

Here is what we found over 1 year. There are 3 differences between a F250 Tremor and a F350 Tremor of the same engine type. The fender Badge, the numbers written on the yellow cargo capacity sticker, and the numbers written on the white GVWR sticker.

There are a couple of differences between a 6.7 and a 7.3. The engine, the front coils, and the trailer hitch.

Those are the facts. I might have missed something between different engines..........but a F250 Tremor is the same Truck as a F350 Tremor.

This is exactly what I’ve found!
All suspension is the same (on my observation of the 6.7). Axels are the same.
I understand how one may look at the 250 and 350 badge and think “well something has to be different.” So they are already leaned toward that thinking.

 

[Accuracy International]

So really, there is no point in buying the F350 tremor over f250 tremor. Unless you need the higher weight capacity for DOT standards. Otherwise your paying more and higher registration fees with f350.

Both use the sane dana super 60 front and Dana m275 rear.

There was just some information going around that the f350 tremor 6.7, no sun roof with 5th wheel package had more structural reinforcement from the factory.

But seems like that's not true

You're 100% correct. The diesel 350 will have an increase payload of 500lbs vs. a similar optioned 250 (Tremor's).

 

[Raspy]

This has been covered over and over. The 250 and the 350 have the same suspension and axles. Same truck with different badges and different door stickers.

The ultimate towing package is the diesel engine, not the springs.

 

[trevor1030]

The 250 and 350 Tremor (given the same engine choice) are mechanically identical because the 250 requires the high capacity tow package. The only difference is the gross vehicle weight rating (250 diesel: 10,800 lbs, 350 diesel: 11,500 lbs). This difference means an identical configuration of the 350 diesel will have a 700 lb higher payload. Gas units have different GVWRs but I think the difference is the same.

Some states (cough: California) require a higher registration fee and that you stop at weigh stations if you have GVWR of 11,500 lbs or greater. If your state doesn’t have that, then the 350 is pretty much always the better choice just because of potential resale and higher ratings for the same equipment (future proofing).

For 20MY, it was $1000 more for the 350 and (for some reason) you couldn’t select the power deployable running board option on the 350 tremor on the build and price tool. I live in CA and while I could live with the higher registration, I didn’t want to stop at all the weigh stations when I want to road trip... so I have a 250 diesel.

Good luck with your purchase!

Glad to know this! I almost went and changed my f250 tremor to an f350 tremor. But im glad I checked and did some research as I figured the resale value would have been better for an only marginal price increase! Thanks again

 

[davidb1841]

Here is some more discussion from months back

 

[mink]

Of the several 250 Tremors I've compared to 350 Tremors, they all had identical leaf pack part # and both had the dana m275. These were all 7.3, not 6.7's.

Any info on the any differences when comparing the 250 vs 350 with the 6.7 or are they the same rig also? Ride feel, GVW, ect. There is $933 difference in price both rigs optioned the same, but will my resale down the road be better then $1000 on the 350? I know I don't need the 6.7 or even the largest GVW rating for what I'm going to be hauling or pulling but I just want one and can

 

[Apparition]

Any info on the any differences when comparing the 250 vs 350 with the 6.7 or are they the same rig also? Ride feel, GVW, ect. There is $933 difference in price both rigs optioned the same, but will my resale down the road be better then $1000 on the 350? I know I don't need the 6.7 or even the largest GVW rating for what I'm going to be hauling or pulling but I just want one and can

Difference is the badges and the weight rating stickers.

 

[ICT Tremor]

I'm on the other side from some of you.

Absent state-by-state variations that create some downsides cost/registration-wise for 3/4 ton versus 1 ton (realize in most states this isn't a thing), there's no logical reason to buy the 250 instead of the 350. Because $1000 more on a $70K-$90K purchase? Come on now.

At the worst case side of the equation lies the 6.7 250 Tremor, which legally (and that's a real thing no matter how much some want to downplay it) is highly-limited in effective towing ability once you fill up the gas tank and throw the whole family in the cab, especially on higher trims and option loads. They have payloads in the low/mid 2000 pound range. Subtract out the weight of a full gas tank and four people in the cab plus all their crap, and you're left with a "heavy duty" truck that has 1200 or 1300 pounds remaining for tongue or pin weight. That's nothing.

I think maybe I'll go put on my flamesuit now for good measure.

 

[Apparition]

I'm on the other side from some of you.

Absent state-by-state variations that create some downsides cost/registration-wise for 3/4 ton versus 1 ton (realize in most states this isn't a thing), there's no logical reason to buy the 250 instead of the 350. Because $1000 more on a $70K-$90K purchase? Come on now.

At the worst case side of the equation lies the 6.7 250 Tremor, which legally (and that's a real thing no matter how much some want to downplay it) is highly-limited in effective towing ability once you fill up the gas tank and throw the whole family in the cab, especially on higher trims and option loads. They have payloads in the low/mid 2000 pound range. Subtract out the weight of a full gas tank and four people in the cab plus all their crap, and you're left with a "heavy duty" truck that has 1200 or 1300 pounds remaining for tongue or pin weight. That's nothing.

I think maybe I'll go put on my flamesuit now for good measure.

I thought payload included a full tank of fuel.

I don't disagree on 350 vs 250 though. It's cheaper for me to register the 350.

 

[ICT Tremor]

I thought payload included a full tank of fuel.

I don't disagree on 350 vs 250 though. It's cheaper for me to register the 350.

Does it? It might. Ford's not exactly clear on payloads. Feels like you can find ten different numbers and calculation methodologies.

People in all seating positions... only the front two passengers but they haven't crapped for three days... driver plus newfoundland dog... driver plus midget wife and chihuahua dog... etc.

What matters I suppose is what is actually on the door jam, but I don't think anyone knows what that includes. I sure assume it's not the calculation from the towing guide with driver and passengers at all seating positions.

 

[Apparition]

Does it? It might. Ford's not exactly clear on payloads. Feels like you can find ten different numbers and calculation methodologies.

People in all seating positions... only the front two passengers but they haven't crapped for three days... driver plus newfoundland dog... driver plus midget wife and chihuahua dog... etc.

What matters I suppose is what is actually on the door jam, but I don't think anyone knows what that includes. I sure assume it's not the calculation from the towing guide with driver and passengers at all seating positions.

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