Considering a Super Duty Tremor.

[DTX2023Tremor]

@crashxx here is another thread to read through: https://www.fordtremor.com/threads/2024-chevy-2500-zr2.14698/

A completely unbiased view of these trucks will be difficult to get as we all have biases and preferences, plus you did ask a group of Ford Tremor fanatics for thoughts on a non-Tremor truck.

That said, I would base your decision on what your use case is and which truck would best meet your needs, balancing need + wants against cost and availability. My back-up to the Tremor was a '24 GMC AT4x HD with the AEV package. Nice looking truck and quite capable. The AEV package (particularly the shocks, bumpers and rims) are all better than what Ford offers. I think Ford wins when it comes to the interior design, engine options, and towing capability. However, the GMC was my second choice if my '23 order didn't get picked-up by the factory and am quite happy with the Tremor.

 

[crashxx]

Thank you all for the insight. I ended up pulling the trigger on the GMC today. It felt familiar to me when I drove it and they have improved the seats, not as nice as Ford's but defiantly improved. Also, my dealer could not get anyone to trade a Tremor. We'll probably replace another truck in a year or two and I'll revisit this then I'm sure. Again, I appreciate everyone's input. It was defiantly valuable.

 

[JDBoss]

If you want a 2020 F350 Lariat 6.7 with a Northern-Lite camper on it.... I know a guy.

Love the truck & camper - just way underutilized once we moved to a retirement community. Too darn much to do here. LOL

 

[OmahaBravo]

If you aren’t going to be leveling or lifting I would recommend replacing the tremor shocks. Put Fox on and you’re set to do off-road and street driving with more capability and comfort. The oem shocks are not quality and have history of premature failure

Hoping to do an aftermarket kit but it may be a year or two before.

Do you recommend fox over bilsteins for these trucks?

 

[BettyWhite]

Hoping to do an aftermarket kit but it may be a year or two before.

Do you recommend fox over bilsteins for these trucks?

Both are great and I’ve had both. I’m actually running bilstein 5100s now. I would say Fox are a little better off-road and 5100 a little better on pavement

 

[BettyWhite]

The difference between a stock Tremor 250/350 and the multimatic ZR2/AT4X is not at all slight. Maybe the regular GM 2500s, but not these 2 models. They are unbelievably compliant compared to a stock Tremor (don't shoot the messenger, I am buying the Tremor, but doing so with the understanding the ride quality is not even close to the GM).

That’s due to independent front suspension vs solid axle

 

[RoM357]

That’s due to independent front suspension vs solid axle

I'm well aware of that. I was replying to someone who stated the difference is "slight". Maybe it is just semantics, but as someone who has driven both trucks extensively, I would say it is blatantly obvious how much smoother the GM is. Shocks / ride quality and steering, easy wins for the General.

It's OK if the Ford is not quite as good as sliced bread Neither is the GM.

 

[BettyWhite]

I'm well aware of that. I was replying to someone who stated the difference is "slight". Maybe it is just semantics, but as someone who has driven both trucks extensively, I would say it is blatantly obvious how much smoother the GM is. Shocks / ride quality and steering, easy wins for the General.

It's OK if the Ford is not quite as good as sliced bread Neither is the GM.

Yep I’ve owned both

 

[Rons1680]

Hello, I'm currently driving a 2020 GMC AT4 w/ the 6.2L. I've loved the truck (except how firm the seats are). I have several friends with Super Duties and they all love them. So I'm torn between a F-250 Lariat w/ Tremor pkg and an AT4X. I know the replies will be a little biased, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on them.

I had 4 duramax's before I bought my First Ford Truck ever. My son wanted me to try the SD Tremor so I ordered a F250 2022 Tremor Lariat with almost every option. After a 17 month wait it finally showed up. Now being a GM guy all my life this was this was a somewhat hard change getting used to how Ford sets everything up. But after that I have no issues going this route. They do ride a little bit rougher but always having a truck this was not a big issue if at all. Love the stance, looks and feel of it as well as the interior. Now not saying I dont like the new AT4X but very happy with my Tremor and dont see selling it any time soon. And a side bar I do get the GM discount and not Fords so paid more to get this and still happy. Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[OmahaBravo]

The only entity that truly benefits from brand loyalty... is the brand.

I was a solid bow-tie guy. But after finally figuring out the requirements/specs to do the activities i was intending to do with w/e truck I had... it made more sense to buy a Ford SD than keep my 07 LMM, EFI-live w DSP5 switch.

 

[PCord]

I'm well aware of that. I was replying to someone who stated the difference is "slight". Maybe it is just semantics, but as someone who has driven both trucks extensively, I would say it is blatantly obvious how much smoother the GM is. Shocks / ride quality and steering, easy wins for the General.

It's OK if the Ford is not quite as good as sliced bread Neither is the GM.

I went and drove the at4x just as a comparison. My opinion on the "slight" difference is unchanged. It is slight. The difference in seat comfort is dramatic as well as interior quality and engineering. The amount the shifter sticks out to block the display is unacceptable. No locking center console. Only two cup holders. Inability to get to the camera view without pushing home on the center display and then hitting the camera button. The Bose stereo is not as robust. The Ford wins by a large margin in those areas. I will take a slightly rougher ride in certain situations. Truthfully on the highway there is no difference. Just my opinion and why I didn't get the GMC even though I love the exterior looks.

 

[RoM357]

I went and drove the at4x just as a comparison. My opinion on the "slight" difference is unchanged. It is slight. The difference in seat comfort is dramatic as well as interior quality and engineering. The amount the shifter sticks out to block the display is unacceptable. No locking center console. Only two cup holders. Inability to get to the camera view without pushing home on the center display and then hitting the camera button. The Bose stereo is not as robust. The Ford wins by a large margin in those areas. I will take a slightly rougher ride in certain situations. Truthfully on the highway there is no difference. Just my opinion and why I didn't get the GMC even though I love the exterior looks.

Agree to disagree on the factory ride quality. I love being in the minority and having an unpopular review, but most every publication that has tested both praises the multimatic shocks and IFS compared to the Tremor. So in this case, I guess your view is extremely rare.

I agree on the shifter. One guy wrote "it blocks half the screen" which is a massive exaggeration, but OK, I get this is a Ford forum and most just want to knock anything different. I have no brand loyalty and am objective, and again, am awaiting my Tremor. When I drove the current AT4X, it absolutely blocked the lower left corner. Could I live with it? Yes. But I am not willing to overlook such a poor design. On the Silverado ZR2, the problem did not exist, as they screen is in a much better spot (aesthetically, too). So if I were to go the GM route, I would skip the GMC and all the fancy features they include on the trim level and get the more basic Chevy.

I would never have more than 2 drinks in my console. I put extra waters on my door pockets. Locking center console? I'm fairly certain I could rip a locked top off with my hands, and if not, a small pry bar easily. I could care less about that. Now a gun safe, better, but still can be pryed out of the console. Bose stereo definitely sucks.

The camera button, you are incorrect here. All the buttons on the left side of the GM screen are reconfigurable. So you can put the camera button where the trailer button is, or any of the others (maybe better where the google voice button is) and it stays there. And where it beats the Ford is this: once you have it as a direct button, you hit it one time and all camera views appear on the bottom row and stay there. On the ford, you hit the hard camera button on top of the screen, then the little tab pops up where you choose the view you want. Then if you want a different view, you have to bring up that screen again. Not on the GM, all views are just a touch away, and sit below the camera displayed, not on top with a little white page. So actually, the GM system is much better. And of course the camera resolution, everyone agrees the GMs are superior to the Fords.

I have said this before - the GM interiors definitely have a sexier look, and the Ford's are more utilitarian / trucky. But I see this as a good thing, so even though it is not as exciting to look at, I think controls are organized better.

I'm looking forward to my first Ford. But I can still be objective and accept it is not better than the GM in every regard.

 

[BettyWhite]

Agree to disagree on the factory ride quality. I love being in the minority and having an unpopular review, but most every publication that has tested both praises the multimatic shocks and IFS compared to the Tremor. So in this case, I guess your view is extremely rare.

I agree on the shifter. One guy wrote "it blocks half the screen" which is a massive exaggeration, but OK, I get this is a Ford forum and most just want to knock anything different. I have no brand loyalty and am objective, and again, am awaiting my Tremor. When I drove the current AT4X, it absolutely blocked the lower left corner. Could I live with it? Yes. But I am not willing to overlook such a poor design. On the Silverado ZR2, the problem did not exist, as they screen is in a much better spot (aesthetically, too). So if I were to go the GM route, I would skip the GMC and all the fancy features they include on the trim level and get the more basic Chevy.

I would never have more than 2 drinks in my console. I put extra waters on my door pockets. Locking center console? I'm fairly certain I could rip a locked top off with my hands, and if not, a small pry bar easily. I could care less about that. Now a gun safe, better, but still can be pryed out of the console. Bose stereo definitely sucks.

The camera button, you are incorrect here. All the buttons on the left side of the GM screen are reconfigurable. So you can put the camera button where the trailer button is, or any of the others (maybe better where the google voice button is) and it stays there. And where it beats the Ford is this: once you have it as a direct button, you hit it one time and all camera views appear on the bottom row and stay there. On the ford, you hit the hard camera button on top of the screen, then the little tab pops up where you choose the view you want. Then if you want a different view, you have to bring up that screen again. Not on the GM, all views are just a touch away, and sit below the camera displayed, not on top with a little white page. So actually, the GM system is much better. And of course the camera resolution, everyone agrees the GMs are superior to the Fords.

I have said this before - the GM interiors definitely have a sexier look, and the Ford's are more utilitarian / trucky. But I see this as a good thing, so even though it is not as exciting to look at, I think controls are organized better.

I'm looking forward to my first Ford. But I can still be objective and accept it is not better than the GM in every regard.

Your hung up on those shocks aren’t you lol. The slight ride quality difference would be the shock quality the real difference is solid axle vs independent suspension

 

[RoM357]

Your hung up on those shocks aren’t you lol. The slight ride quality difference would be the shock quality the real difference is solid axle vs independent suspension

It is actually "you're", and no, I am not. I guess maybe I will be the only Ford Tremor owner who does not think it is the best truck at everything in the world.

My position has never changed: on paved roads, a stock ZR2 2500 / AT4X 2500 rides noticeably smoother than a stock F-250 Tremor. That is it. Whether it is the IFS, the shocks, or little gremlins under the truck, you can decide.

 

[BettyWhite]

It is actually "you're", and no, I am not. I guess maybe I will be the only Ford Tremor owner who does not think it is the best truck at everything in the world.

My position has never changed: on paved roads, a stock ZR2 2500 / AT4X 2500 rides noticeably smoother than a stock F-250 Tremor. That is it. Whether it is the IFS, the shocks, or little gremlins under the truck, you can decide.

Thanks for the grammar correction, that actually answers more questions I had about your posts. Is that the proper your
I’m with you that the GM rides better, you just don’t grasp why it does.

 

[boxx04]

If your looking at a 250/2500 series both have plus and minus just personal choice but know they are not 1500 series and are much bigger and bulkier than they used to be. If your into off roading 1500 is way more nimble and far easier to throw around and no 250 is going to match ride with a 1500. All 3 brands are more interested in electronics than capability and mechanical durability....long for the days of a simple solid axle truck that you had to run over a cliff to take it to the shop......if your main concern is comfort buy a lexus

 

[Winterized]

If your looking at a 250/2500 series both have plus and minus just personal choice but know they are not 1500 series and are much bigger and bulkier than they used to be. If your into off roading 1500 is way more nimble and far easier to throw around and no 250 is going to match ride with a 1500. All 3 brands are more interested in electronics than capability and mechanical durability....long for the days of a simple solid axle truck that you had to run over a cliff to take it to the shop......if your main concern is comfort buy a lexus

You bring up a point that is of greater interest to me than the finer points of ride quality;
To those who have a good amount of experience with recent model trucks from both GM and Ford, are the GM trucks' electronics horribly naggy, intrusive Karens that never STFU and never leave you alone like the Fords? I'm not giving up yet because one of these days I'll have a proper amount of time to study and understand Forscan, and use it surgically to achieve my ends without bricking anything and be able to reset to stock or revert a change on a moment's notice.

My Land Cruiser has most of the expected driver assist features expected of a modern upscale vehicle, but a few minutes with the manual or just spent staring at plethora of physical buttons on the dash and you can shut off all the things that annoy you rather quickly and they just STAY OFF AND OUT OF THE WAY until told otherwise. QUIETLY.

Do modern high optioned GM's act more like my Fords or the Toyota? I know Ford uses the QNX OS or somesuch but having to battle my truck the way I have to battle Windows Update with group policy and registry edits is going to get old really fast.