‘24 Owners Who Removed Tailgate

Great find @Slippers ! I’ve ordered some and will test further early next week.

@Chadx How did you get the backside black cover (that the wires run through) off the connector housing? The sides have a small clip inside? I pried but didn’t want to break it… will try again.

FYI: In @Chadx photos, numbers 2 and 5 are the upper and lower tailgate open/closed sensor circuits, and 3 is ground.

I gently pried, more of a twist really, to use the leverage of a tiny flathead screwdriver slowly working my way all the way around the back cover plate perimeter several times before it started moving out. Slow and repeatedly.

Thanks for identifying the ground-source pin location (3) and sensor circuits (2 and 5). And for those wondering, those are not official position numbers; I based my labeling of pin locations 2, 3, and 5 simply on the orientation of the photo. Ford may label the locations, of all 12 pin locations, something completely different/different order. Mentioning it so no one goes to their dealership talking about pin locations, which are likely quite different in official Ford speak, so these numbers (2 , 3 and 5) are only valid in relation to that particular image.
 
It looks like digikey has pre-crimped leads for about $1. Molex part number 216301-1212 which consists of 16 awg wire plus the female crimp part number 330013003. Their shipping prices are usually reasonable and they ship quick.

I ordered a dozen, might have them Friday. I’ll share the 9 extras with anyone else for the cost of shipping.
Thanks for this...I'll take one presuming still available.
 
Here is the C4003 connector as shown in the Ford Service manual. Should be the correct pin numbers. I have attached a PDF of the page too.
 

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I believe this is the Black C4003 connector, seems to line up with the male side pins on the vehicle. Female pin layout on Right.
 

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I believe this is the Black C4003 connector, seems to line up with the male side pins on the vehicle. Female pin layout on Right.

So, if I keep my orientation correct and based on the drawings (with darkened pin locations, which are presumably blanks), and the previous image of the male pins, it looks like the official pin locations in question are locations 14, 13, and 11. Per earlier post, that would mean 13 has the available ground and 14 and 11 are the tailgate latch sensor wire locations. Some one please confirm I didn't turn that around somehow. Thanks.

That would be this...
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So, if I keep my orientation correct and based on the drawings (with darkened pin locations, which are presumably blanks), and the previous image of the mail pins, it looks like the official pin locations in question are locations 14, 13, and 11. Per earlier post, that would mean 13 has the available ground and 14 and 11 are the tailgate latch sensor wire locations. Some one please confirm I didn't turn that around somehow. Thanks.

That would be this...
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Looks correct to me.
 
When one of you brave souls attempts this at home I am curious if a backup camera, when relocated to the camper (and is plugged into the camera port originally used by the tailgate camera), works when the truck is put into reverse.
 
When one of you brave souls attempts this at home I am curious if a backup camera, when relocated to the camper (and is plugged into the camera port originally used by the tailgate camera), works when the truck is put into reverse.

That already works even with the tailgate ajar message. I moved my tailgate camera into an aftermarket housing and cable and mounted it on the camper. Works great. I later bought another camera and replaced the one in my tailgate so I'm ready to go for winter when the camper is off and tailgate is back on (I confirmed it works by rolling the tailgate on a dolly under the truck and plugging all that in before I buttoned up the tailgate panels).
So, no need for a "tailgate removal harness" fix to get the backup camera to work on your camper. Just transfer it over. Works great.
See my post further up the thread here: https://www.fordtremor.com/threads/24-owners-who-removed-tailgate.18096/post-383276
 
That already works even with the tailgate ajar message. I moved my tailgate camera into an aftermarket housing and cable and mounted it on the camper. Works great. I later bought another camera and replaced the one in my tailgate so I'm ready to go for winter when the camper is off and tailgate is back on (I confirmed it works by rolling the tailgate on a dolly under the truck and plugging all that in before I buttoned up the tailgate panels).
So, no need for a "tailgate removal harness" fix to get the backup camera to work on your camper. Just transfer it over. Works great.
See my post further up the thread here: https://www.fordtremor.com/threads/24-owners-who-removed-tailgate.18096/post-383276

That already works even with the tailgate ajar message. I moved my tailgate camera into an aftermarket housing and cable and mounted it on the camper. Works great. I later bought another camera and replaced the one in my tailgate so I'm ready to go for winter when the camper is off and tailgate is back on (I confirmed it works by rolling the tailgate on a dolly under the truck and plugging all that in before I buttoned up the tailgate panels).
So, no need for a "tailgate removal harness" fix to get the backup camera to work on your camper. Just transfer it over. Works great.
See my post further up the thread here: https://www.fordtremor.com/threads/24-owners-who-removed-tailgate.18096/post-383276
What trim level? Do you have the additional camera for when the tailgate is down?
 
I pulled my camera from the tailgate and installed on the Hawk using a Camera Source kit. Works perfect. 2024 F250 CCSB Lariat Ultimate trim w/360 system, does not have the extra tailgate down camera though, good question.

If you solve the tailgate ajar signal issue being worked on in this thread, would your KR be looking for the main tailgate camera connection vs the down camera? Hmmm.
 
What trim level? Do you have the additional camera for when the tailgate is down?

Mine is also a Lariat with 360 camera. No extra camera on top of tailgate for when tailgate is down. Curious if your KR with double tailgate camera will act different.

Have you tried plugging in a camera and seeing if your backup camera works? With it unplugged, you'll get a blue screen, of course, and all your other camera views should continue to work (since yours is a '24. It is the '23 that all cameras go dead when the backup camera is unplugged).
Since you have an HBE, presumably you have a flatbed tray installed, no bed, and so not even the option of attaching a tailgate, but hopefully you have the tailgate handy and can do the experiment below if you have not already.

First, how many tailgate camera connectors do you have? one or two? Not sure if Ford somehow ties both cameras into one wire or keeps them separate, but likely there are two camera connectors and you currently have both filled with the blanks provided in the Tailgate Removal Kit. You can experiment easy enough by rolling your tailgate on a dolly under your truck, eave your 'tailgate removal harness' plugged in, but take the blanks out of the (presumably) two camera connectors. Plug in the first tailgate camera into the first backup camera connector. Start the truck and put it in reverse (with brake applied so you don't move) and see if you still have blue screen or camera view (pointing in a weird direction since tailgate is laying on a dolly). If still blue screen, move first camera plug into the second connector and retry. If nothing, then unplug the first camera and take the second camera plug into the first connector. If nothing, second camera plug into the second connector. #1into#1, #1into#2, #2into#1, #2into#2. You only have four combinations. Likely one of them will give you your backup camera view.

Note, there is a chance the two camera connectors are slightly different shapes so only the corresponding camera plug will fit into each camera connector. Which brings your experiment options from four down to two.

In any case, if one of them successfully gives you a backup camera view, you'll want to determine which camera lens is working. Easy way to do that is, once one of them is working, put a piece of tape over one of the two camera lenses to see if the view is blocked (or simply observe what is showing up on the camera view compared to the tailgate orientation as the regular backup camera view will be different from the second tailgate-down camera on the top of the tailgate).

There may be a fifth option just to try for fun which is plugging in both camera views and see what happens. That is actually a reasonable shortcut if you prefer. Plug in both camera plugs to both camera connectors and try it. If you get successful backup camera view, unplug one of the two and see if camera view remains or goes away. If it goes away, pull current connection and reconnect other camera.

Once one is working, would also be fun to see if you plug that same camera into the other camera connector if it works. I suspect that only one of your two camera connectors will work (depending on if the truck things your tailgate is up or down), but that either camera will successfully feed a view to that plug because I believe the same camera part number is used to feed the two views.

If you sold the tailgate along with the bed of your truck, then there are fewer options. You'd have to buy a camera, housing, and cable and try. But be warned that many of the knockoff cameras, with the same part number, don't seem to work. I tried an ebay one and it didn't work, but the one out of my tailgate worked as did buying a replacement of that part number direct from Ford.

So, give things a try, gather some data, and share that data. Then we can give recommendation from there.
 
I pulled my camera from the tailgate and installed on the Hawk using a Camera Source kit. Works perfect. 2024 F250 CCSB Lariat Ultimate trim w/360 system, does not have the extra tailgate down camera though, good question.

If you solve the tailgate ajar signal issue being worked on in this thread, would your KR be looking for the main tailgate camera connection vs the down camera? Hmmm.
I think that's my issue. I think the truck thinks the tailgate is down so when I put the truck in reverse its looking for a camera feed from the tailgate down camera and not the camera in the handle of the tailgate.
 

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Mine is also a Lariat with 360 camera. No extra camera on top of tailgate for when tailgate is down. Curious if your KR with double tailgate camera will act different.

Have you tried plugging in a camera and seeing if your backup camera works? With it unplugged, you'll get a blue screen, of course, and all your other camera views should continue to work (since yours is a '24. It is the '23 that all cameras go dead when the backup camera is unplugged).
Since you have an HBE, presumably you have a flatbed tray installed, no bed, and so not even the option of attaching a tailgate, but hopefully you have the tailgate handy and can do the experiment below if you have not already.

First, how many tailgate camera connectors do you have? one or two? Not sure if Ford somehow ties both cameras into one wire or keeps them separate, but likely there are two camera connectors and you currently have both filled with the blanks provided in the Tailgate Removal Kit. You can experiment easy enough by rolling your tailgate on a dolly under your truck, eave your 'tailgate removal harness' plugged in, but take the blanks out of the (presumably) two camera connectors. Plug in the first tailgate camera into the first backup camera connector. Start the truck and put it in reverse (with brake applied so you don't move) and see if you still have blue screen or camera view (pointing in a weird direction since tailgate is laying on a dolly). If still blue screen, move first camera plug into the second connector and retry. If nothing, then unplug the first camera and take the second camera plug into the first connector. If nothing, second camera plug into the second connector. #1into#1, #1into#2, #2into#1, #2into#2. You only have four combinations. Likely one of them will give you your backup camera view.

Note, there is a chance the two camera connectors are slightly different shapes so only the corresponding camera plug will fit into each camera connector. Which brings your experiment options from four down to two.

In any case, if one of them successfully gives you a backup camera view, you'll want to determine which camera lens is working. Easy way to do that is, once one of them is working, put a piece of tape over one of the two camera lenses to see if the view is blocked (or simply observe what is showing up on the camera view compared to the tailgate orientation as the regular backup camera view will be different from the second tailgate-down camera on the top of the tailgate).

There may be a fifth option just to try for fun which is plugging in both camera views and see what happens. That is actually a reasonable shortcut if you prefer. Plug in both camera plugs to both camera connectors and try it. If you get successful backup camera view, unplug one of the two and see if camera view remains or goes away. If it goes away, pull current connection and reconnect other camera.

Once one is working, would also be fun to see if you plug that same camera into the other camera connector if it works. I suspect that only one of your two camera connectors will work (depending on if the truck things your tailgate is up or down), but that either camera will successfully feed a view to that plug because I believe the same camera part number is used to feed the two views.

If you sold the tailgate along with the bed of your truck, then there are fewer options. You'd have to buy a camera, housing, and cable and try. But be warned that many of the knockoff cameras, with the same part number, don't seem to work. I tried an ebay one and it didn't work, but the one out of my tailgate worked as did buying a replacement of that part number direct from Ford.

So, give things a try, gather some data, and share that data. Then we can give recommendation from there.
these are excellent ideas I will try. I did not sell the tailgate (worth more than the bed lol). When I removed the tailgate there was only 1 camera plug to remove. I do not yet know how the other camera is wired in. That's something I will investigate this weekend. I like your plan and will try it out. I can say there is a ford bulletin for this issue on the higher trim trucks with both cameras so Ford does know about the issue. They stated they are working on a solution but they said this back in February 2024 so I'm not holding my breath. I REALLY appreciate the help I've gotten on this forum. No matter what I am still inclined to perform the surgery on my pigtail harness.
 
Received the pigtails. Initial thought: a smaller diameter would have made it slightly easier to assemble but it went together fine.

A few notes:

1. You have to remove the black back plate where the wires come out and then snap off (GENTLY!) the placeholder pins for 11, 13 and 14. Those placeholder pins normally go into the waterproof seal, but you’ll have wires at those locations now. I accidentally snapped off 12 and so I inserted the pin into the seal. Not a big deal.

Note the two remaining pins:
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You can see the broken pin I inserted into location 12 here:
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2. The white insert on the front of the plug pulls right out. I inserted a small screwdriver in the corner slots and gently pried it upward.

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3. Due to the wire size on these pigtails it takes a little maneuvering to get the wire inserted past the little retainers that support the crimps. Be patient, they fit without any trouble.

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I have to dig out my crimpers and a butt connector and then I’ll test it out, but my wife is bugging the heck out of me right now, so it’ll be later this evening.
 
Received the pigtails. Initial thought: a smaller diameter would have made it slightly easier to assemble but it went together fine.

A few notes:

1. You have to remove the black back plate where the wires come out and then snap off (GENTLY!) the placeholder pins for 11, 13 and 14. Those placeholder pins normally go into the waterproof seal, but you’ll have wires at those locations now. I accidentally snapped off 12 and so I inserted the pin into the seal. Not a big deal.

Note the two remaining pins:
View attachment 169319

You can see the broken pin I inserted into location 12 here:
View attachment 169320
2. The white insert on the front of the plug pulls right out. I inserted a small screwdriver in the corner slots and gently pried it upward.

View attachment 169322

3. Due to the wire size on these pigtails it takes a little maneuvering to get the wire inserted past the little retainers that support the crimps. Be patient, they fit without any trouble.

View attachment 169321

I have to dig out my crimpers and a butt connector and then I’ll test it out, but my wife is bugging the heck out of me right now, so it’ll be later this evening.
If you have extra pins left can I purchase them from you?
 
Received the pigtails. Initial thought: a smaller diameter would have made it slightly easier to assemble but it went together fine.

A few notes:

1. You have to remove the black back plate where the wires come out and then snap off (GENTLY!) the placeholder pins for 11, 13 and 14. Those placeholder pins normally go into the waterproof seal, but you’ll have wires at those locations now. I accidentally snapped off 12 and so I inserted the pin into the seal. Not a big deal.

Note the two remaining pins:
View attachment 169319

You can see the broken pin I inserted into location 12 here:
View attachment 169320
2. The white insert on the front of the plug pulls right out. I inserted a small screwdriver in the corner slots and gently pried it upward.

View attachment 169322

3. Due to the wire size on these pigtails it takes a little maneuvering to get the wire inserted past the little retainers that support the crimps. Be patient, they fit without any trouble.

View attachment 169321

I have to dig out my crimpers and a butt connector and then I’ll test it out, but my wife is bugging the heck out of me right now, so it’ll be later this evening.
You're a good man! Love the level of detail and of course the initiative.
 
Confirmed it works. No warning icon for tailgate ajar with my updated harness.

I have three sets of pigtails to the first three people that asked about them earlier in the thread. I’ll follow up with them first, probably tomorrow, as I’m definitely in the dog house right now.
 
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