Sometimes we just got to look the other way......

[HeavyAssault]

Any other day I might have to place a call......but....this guy is doing the Lord's work.

 

[Optimus🤖]

Not all heroes wear capes. Some wear a mask made of human skin and wield a Poulan 245A.

The Texas Traffic-Cam Massacre is a reboot we can all finally get behind. He might be wearing someone else's face, but he’s fighting for all of our privacy!

 

[Whaler27]

You guys must lead more interesting lives than me.

I couldn’t care less if the gubmint knows when I drive to the supermarket or head out of town, but I appreciate it when the cops use those camera systems to find kidnapped children and homicide suspects. I’d feel differently if I was bootlegging or selling dope, I guess.

 

[The Evil Twin]

You guys must lead more interesting lives than me.

I couldn’t care less if the gubmint knows when I drive to the supermarket or head out of town, but I appreciate it when the cops use those camera systems to find kidnapped children and homicide suspects. I’d feel differently if I was bootlegging or selling dope, I guess.

I would agree to an extent. Thing is, there are scores of incidents where they have been misused by the very people instilled with the trust to protect us.

 

[Ragin Cajun]

You guys must lead more interesting lives than me.

I couldn’t care less if the gubmint knows when I drive to the supermarket or head out of town, but I appreciate it when the cops use those camera systems to find kidnapped children and homicide suspects. I’d feel differently if I was bootlegging or selling dope, I guess.

As a retired LEO, I understand it's use as a public safety asset. But, just like NCIC, it can be abused. Most agencies these days, you must have a case number attached to each NCIC inquiry you run. Back in the day, any cop could run any tag or DL or CCH they wanted to, with impunity. This promoted abuse, just like the assholes tracking their ex's on the flock cameras.

Basically this. You want a to make a flock inquiry? If it's an emergency, require a case number, every time. Is it part of an ongoing investigation? Require a warrant.

Can it be made impossible to abuse? I doubt it. But when it comes to privacy, I can do without it until the privacy issues are resolved.

 

[Vecman]

There was a story on the news the other day where a police officer came to issue a citation or something (not sure what was being issued) to notify a woman her vehicle was caught on a flock camera leaving the scene of where packages were stolen off porches. She kept denying it, said that it wasn’t her. She luckily had a dashcam to prove her vehicle wasn’t in the area at the time they stated. They revoked the citation. No apology. That’s very scary to me. I think, like everything, there’s a good and bad way to use them. But there’s tons of stories about people being accused of things they weren’t doing, because AI said they were. The suggestion above makes sense - use them for active investigations of big cases - stolen vehicles, kidnapping, hit and run, etc. But they don’t seem to be too accurate for using them to catch driving infractions.

 

[RedZilla]

What happens when hackers break into Flock systems and start selling access on the black market. Ask cybersecurity folks, every system has vulnerabilities and it’s only a matter of effort, when not if. What can criminals do with access? I’m sure none of us would like to know the possibilities.

 

[McE]

Call me old school, but dangerous freedom > surveillance state

 

[Apples]

^ ^ ^ Ben Franklin is smiling.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Frankin, 1755



A caution, my esteemed colleagues! We teeter upon the boundary of this fine site's good general rule of "no politics" by continuing our discussion on the merits of the Fluck camera system. I for one am now a culprit, therefore I shall cease! and desist.

P.S. The original post stands on it's own merit for it's humorous qualities!

 

[Phillbo]

Don't leave your house. No matter where you go you are on camera.


Crazy lady down the street wears a wig anytime she goes out to disguise herself. I told her she may as well just update her DL photo since she wears the same wig every

 

[The Evil Twin]

There was a story ok the news the other day where a police officer came to issue a citation or something (not sure what was being issued) to notify a woman her vehicle was caught on a flock camera leaving the scene of where packages were stolen off porches. She kept denying it, said that it wasn’t her. She luckily had a dashcam to prove her vehicle wasn’t in the area at the time they stated. They revoked the citation. No apology. That’s very scary to me. I think, like everything, there’s a good and bad way to use them. But there’s tons of stories about people being caused of things they weren’t doing, because AI said they were. The suggestion above makes sense - use them for active investigations of big cases - stolen vehicles, kidnapping, hit and run, etc. But they don’t seem to be too accurate for using them to catch driving infractions.

The toll lane cameras can’t even get it right. I keep getting violations for a trailer that isn’t even mine. Somehow they are misreading the plate. Got 4 of them.
I’ve since paid the $10 to get a different plate.

 

[Ragin Cajun]

Don't leave your house. No matter where you go you are on camera.


Crazy lady down the street wears a wig anytime she goes out to disguise herself. I told her she may as well just update her DL photo since she wears the same wig every

wig?

 

[McE]

Don't leave your house. No matter where you go you are on camera.

Wild take.

I'm not worried about random CCTV cameras or grandma's street-facing doorbell camera. I'm concerned about tens of thousands of cameras tied into a networked, AI-integrated system that can track movements, search video and vehicle data in plain language, and generate alerts in real time. The potential for abuse is exponentially higher, and there have already been numerous documented abuses by authorized users with little to no recourse for people wrongly targeted or investigated.

I work in tech. I see what's coming, and I don't like it. Once this kind of infrastructure is widespread, there's really no putting the genie back in the bottle. We're sleepwalking past that point quickly.

I think this issue transcends politics. It's a basic civil liberties issue at this point.

Regardless, the mods have historically been pretty forgiving if we keep things respectful

 

[Ragin Cajun]

Wild take.

I'm not worried about random CCTV cameras or grandma's street-facing doorbell camera. I'm concerned about tens of thousands of cameras tied into a networked, AI-integrated system that can track movements, search video and vehicle data in plain language, and generate alerts in real time. The potential for abuse is exponentially higher, and there have already been numerous documented abuses by authorized users with little to no recourse for people wrongly targeted or investigated.

I work in tech. I see what's coming, and I don't like it. Once this kind of infrastructure is widespread, there's really no putting the genie back in the bottle. We're sleepwalking past that point quickly.

I think this issue transcends politics. It's a basic civil liberties issue at this point.

Regardless, the mods have historically been pretty forgiving if we keep things respectful

Agreed. No nanny state for me and any sensible citizen, no matter the politics, would agree that freedom is what we were founded upon. Unfortunately, Great Britain has become masters at it and these days, you can’t even speak your mind in public without being watched, recorded and arrested for offending someone.

 

[Phillbo]

Only 4 houses on my street but the one next door to me is a short term rental. Its flooded with cameras and one points into my backyard. Ive asked the management company to remove or reposition it and nothing has happened. So I pee in front of it when the urge occurs.... no clue who's watching.

 

[Sterry]

Yeah. I believe they’re a tool that big tech and/or big gov can use for nefarious purposes. AI can gather the data of our daily activities for any number of reasons and china utilizes data to generate a social score used to identify those whom are deemed enemies of the state.
Ten years ago many thought those who said phones listened to us were crazy. Nowadays we all know it’s true. The data collected is used in a million ways.

 

[DTX2023Tremor]

I'm surprised that no one is talking about how corporations can use this data. For example, most people's auto insurance rates are based on an anticipated number of miles per year. When you sign up for insurance, many will ask what the one-way mileage is for work. With the mass deployment of systems like these, insurance companies can leverage this data to adjust your rates based on where you drive, when you drive, and how much you drive.

Speaking of questionable use by law enforcement,:

Wisconsin Cops Tracked a Man Across State Lines With Flock Cameras to Arrest Him for Weed https://share.google/XGyajKTNb0BY6FYEJ

While I don't personally partake, this seems a bit heavy handed use of this tool. You'd think they'd have solved all other crime in WI if this is where they're focused.

 

[Blade420Play🔪🏆]

I'm surprised that no one is talking about how corporations can use this data. For example, most people's auto insurance rates are based on an anticipated number of miles per year. When you sign up for insurance, many will ask what the one-way mileage is for work. With the mass deployment of systems like these, insurance companies can leverage this data to adjust your rates based on where you drive, when you drive, and how much you drive.

Speaking of questionable use by law enforcement,:

Wisconsin Cops Tracked a Man Across State Lines With Flock Cameras to Arrest Him for Weed https://share.google/XGyajKTNb0BY6FYEJ

While I don't personally partake, this seems a bit heavy handed use of this tool. You'd think they'd have solved all other crime in WI if this is where they're focused.

Yeah, ridiculous. Alcohol is way more detrimental to individuals and others than weed will ever be. It ticks me off when I hear stupid stuff like this.

 

[Ragin Cajun]

Yeah, ridiculous. Alcohol is way more detrimental to individuals and others than weed will ever be. It ticks me off when I hear stupid stuff like this.

2 fusions in 3 years. Legal weed kept me off opioids.

 

[Trophyhunter01]

Phones have to be worse for tracking, listening and spying than those flock cameras….just can’t escape it today.