Next Gen Drivetrain Upgrade

I watched this video a couple days ago and at face value it makes sense. However, that guy that is the engineer and owner comes off as a complete tool. He is right about the shifting, though, all the manufacturers have tried to make it so you can’t feel the shift so they reduce line pressures and that’s why you end up getting the flares and other undesirable effects. I would bet money that increasing the line pressures up to where you have crisp shifts would go a long way, even to make stock transmissions behave and last longer.

I just did a TCM and PCM update a couple of days ago and it appears that Ford did change the shift strategy as I can definitely feel the shifts up through 7th gear now. They’re not harsh, but you can definitely feel them whereas before it would shift after 5th and I would never notice it. Now that could be because the update cleared the KAM values and it’s learning but time will tell.
 
Mr. Karhoff,

Our man the Interviewed may come off as "a complete tool", but then again he is one of those types that is confident, and intelligent. They don't care. They seem smug, but in this case I'm all for it.

The most important aspect of his work with just valvebodies (NextGen does much more) is to prevent hydraulic cross-leakage and then piston integrity. Since Ford won't produce a worthy vb piston/valve, NextGen machines their own. This is some of the cost involved and is passed on to we the consumer. This is apparent when seeing his work and his explanations of where these 10-speeds are lacking.

As I noted in a prior post, I do not take offense to his personality. I am only appreciative, again, of a job done correctly.

Cheers.
 
I'm following this. Will watch videos tomorrow
 
Wirelessguy said:
Has anyone upgraded the valve body yet? I'm definitely not a transmission expert, but I do experience the hard shifting mentioned in the video. If a valve body upgrade would be good preventive maintenance, I'll give it a try; if not, I can definitely find something else to spend the money on.

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I did two 22 f250
 
MT N8IV said:
However, that guy that is the engineer and owner comes off as a complete tool.
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"in your opinion..."

I heard that so many times it nearly turned into a drinking game....
 
Something I really don't understand about automatics, and even moreso now with the newer transmissions is the amount of material that's routinely found in various nooks and crannies inside the unit. Am I off beam with this in thinking that this whole problem comes down to absolute shit fluid filtering? If you have clutch material hanging out in the bottom, or getting stuck in the internal passages of the valves, the only way it's getting in there is through the pressurized fluid delivery via the pump, so it HAS TO BE lousy or completely missing filtering.

I see all these guys with Cat filters that look like a 5 gallon bucket hanging under the front axle begging to get ripped off on the first chunk of road debris, but nobody ever puts a decent external filter on their transmission. Could the solution really be as simple as putting a decent filter on the thing and moving on with life?

I'm an engineer professionally, electrical, but I have a very strong mechanical background as well, so I'm listening to what Nate's saying a some of it is making my eye twitch... Making the valve plungers out of steel is great so they don't wear... except the steel is now harder than the valve body itself so now THAT will wear out instead... the softer material always loses, assuming there's metal to metal contact. Which comes back to another item, what the hell is this garbage fluid we're running? Oil's job is to lubricate and remove heat, and maybe secondarily, be useful as a means of control in a hydraulic system. If the aluminum valves are wearing out in an aluminum valve body... clearly there is either abrasive material contaminating the system, the oil is the wrong type for the job allowing metal on metal contact, or both. This part really isn't rocket science. We're nowhere near the fluid pressures of a real hydraulic system for say an excavator or backhoe or something like that, hell, we're not even close to what's in the power steering system... yet somehow, we're eating valves controlled by a magnetic solenoid?? The math ain't mathing. When's the last time you had to change the spool valves in your front end loader on your Kubota or John Deere tractor? You haven't... why? Same thing here.

There's something underlying here that isn't being fully explained or dutifly being ignored... I mean I know everying in recent years is engineered like total dog shit, but still... this is a bit egregious.
 
Apples said:
Mr. Karhoff,

Our man the Interviewed may come off as "a complete tool", but then again he is one of those types that is confident, and intelligent. They don't care. They seem smug, but in this case I'm all for it.

The most important aspect of his work with just valvebodies (NextGen does much more) is to prevent hydraulic cross-leakage and then piston integrity. Since Ford won't produce a worthy vb piston/valve, NextGen machines their own. This is some of the cost involved and is passed on to we the consumer. This is apparent when seeing his work and his explanations of where these 10-speeds are lacking.

As I noted in a prior post, I do not take offense to his personality. I am only appreciative, again, of a job done correctly.

Cheers.
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First, no need to call me Mr. Karhoff, I am not that sophisticated, seriously. I have no doubt he knows his stuff, cripes he told everyone that at least 20 times, but as with anything there is a nuance. But to say he knows more about these transmissions than the engineers at Ford... that is at best a fart in a stiff wind! When a person knows what they are talking about they do not need to state it constantly. That simply comes off as arrogant and is very off-putting! I don't know even a small sliver of what he knows but I know enough to be able to tell when somebody is not confident in themselves. Telling me he is confident is simply pissing on my leg and telling me it is raining. It is better to be humble and let your work speak for itself. Doing so will go much further!
 
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I installed 2 next gen kits
For 10R140
1 truck had 9k miles
Other 12 k
Also installed Mag-hytech
Trans pan 7 qrts over stock



Here’s pic of ford factory parts

Cost for both trucks parts around 1300.00 each
That includes
Nex Gen
Mag oil pan trans filter and
Fluid
No labor cost (inhouse)
 

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Dude said:
I installed 2 next gen kits
For 10R140
1 truck had 9k miles
Other 12 k
Also installed Mag-hytech
Trans pan 7 qrts over stock



Here’s pic of ford factory parts

Cost for both trucks parts around 1300.00
That includes
Nex Gen
Mag oil pan trans filter and
Fluid
No labor cost (inhouse)
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Think next gen takes about 3weeks to fill an order
Getting ready to do the third kit on a 21 250
 
Dude said:
Think next gen takes about 3weeks to fill an order
Getting ready to do the third kit on a 21 250
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Are you tuned or running factory programming? Very curious what improvements are seen.
 
Billet said:
Are you tuned or running factory programming? Very curious what improvements are seen.
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these trucks had exhaust
Repair and trans tune at expox 4K miles
 
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