Your price analysis has a flaw. Your screenshots show you're comparing private party value of the 6.2 to the trade-in value of the 6.7. Trade-in value is always lower than private party value. The apples to apples comparison is closer to $5,000, so it looks like you get almost all of your money back on a 2011.
That goes for you too lol.
You're 100% correct I used the wrong screenshot. I updated it thank you. Point still stands though, as the diesel didn't make your resale value any more than had it been a gas and you paid less. /shrug
| Gas | Diesel | Cost | Upgrade | |
| Year | Truck | Truck | Difference | Cost |
| 2020 | $ 60,831 | $ 67,167 | $ 6,336 | $ 8,790 |
| 2017 | $ 47,491 | $ 53,549 | $ 6,058 | $ 8,790 |
| 2014 | $ 30,997 | $ 36,583 | $ 5,586 | $ 7,500 |
| 2011 | $ 28,830 | $ 33,880 | $ 5,050 | $ 5,600 |
| 2008 | $ 13,810 | $ 17,455 | $ 3,645 | $ 4,500 |
| 2005 | $ 8,464 | $ 11,260 | $ 2,796 | $ 3,500 |
| 2002 | $ 6,982 | $ 10,287 | $ 3,305 | $ 4,000 |
| 1999 | $ 3,785 | $ 6,629 | $ 2,844 | $ 3,750 |
It is fun to make fun of the dumbness of it all.
Take a deep breath and read slowly. I'm not telling anyone they bought the wrong truck. They can buy and spend their money however they want.
That's a good example I like it. It shows what older early emissions or pre-emissions trucks are valued like. And you called me on it with the way I worded the challenge. I should have said any post-emissions diesel truck (basically circa 2011) since that's what were are talking about here. Late model trucks.
Here's the 6.7:
Hate to break your bubble but one I do not lie and I have more of these pics. Tracking my mpg's as the truck gets miles on it. Took this one in January over the same stretch. I usually average about 18.0 for the whole 1200 mile trip. Some of that is at 80 mph in West Texas and also driving around the ranch and idling for a few hours at a time.
things I now know.
Hate to break your bubble but one I do not lie and I have more of these pics. Tracking my mpg's as the truck gets miles on it. Took this one in January over the same stretch. I usually average about 18.0 for the whole 1200 mile trip. Some of that is at 80 mph in West Texas and also driving around the ranch and idling for a few hours at a time.
Excellent answer thank you. I don’t know or have an answer. This will be my first diesel truck. It is what it is. If it becomes too much to bear I guess I can always sell.The answer to question number one has everything to do with people and politics and has little to do with refining costs. You are correct that diesel is simpler to refine and therefore slightly cheaper to produce. In theory, that would mean it would be cheaper for the consumers.
Now here is where the other factors come into play. Just like your example states, farm equipment and semi trucks all run on it. The people using this type of equipment are typically the producers of food, products, transportation of said items, etc.
Well politicians have found that they can jack up the fuel tax on diesel without really hurting demand, because people need the fuel to continue to produce/run their business/transport goods and therefore will keep using the fuel basically no matter the price. They need the fuel to continue making money.
With gasoline, the majority of the people using them are on the consumer side and therefore can more easily lessen their consumption of fuel when costs go up, ie carpool, group tasks involving driving, or stop going on unnecessary trips, eventually killing demand and actually potentially creating less total revenue from gasoline tax.
So people “in charge” of governments and their desires for constantly growing “tax revenues” to pay for various programs has far more to do with the cost of your fuel than the actual cost to produce, refine, and deliver it to you.
I’m not sure how to answer your second question. I’m guessing that the demand will lessen over time as a percentage of the total energy pie, but as populations grow and industry follows, it’s tough for me to say that the actual gallons of fuel needed to run this planet as it stands will ever actually go down.
I hope this made sense to someone other than myself.
I think your average for diesel mpg is little inflated too...Just for fun lets run some numbers on your 2011 comparison.
Can we agree a 2011 6.2 gets between 11 & 12 MPG? I know this from experience I had one
Can we agree a 2011 6.7 gets about 16mpg? That's what my 2017 6 speed got.
Fuel prices from the US energy administration
National average regular gas from 2011 to 2021 is $2.862
National average for diesel from 2011 to 2021 is $3.208
The 6.2 at 12 mpg used 11,000 gallons of fuel. At $2.862/gal = $31,482 in fuel
The 6.7 at 16 mpg used 8,250 gallons of fuel. At $3.308/gal = $24,981 in fuel
Note on average over 11 years there is a $0.44 differential from diesel to gas
That is a fuel savings of $6,501 for the diesel. Plus the additional resale of $3,350 gives you a total savings of $9,851 on your $5,600 initial investment.
A couple things to note:
A 2011 6.2 MPG is probably closer to 11mpg but I wanted to give it the help.
At least in my area, diesels are bringing $5,000-$8,000 more than their gas counter parts. I did not take this into consideration
A 10 speed 6.7 trucks gets considerably better fuel economy
I personally drive a lot; like 40,000+/year and get new trucks before they hit 100,000, this seems to get me the best balance of resale and use. I'm trading my 2021 in on a 2022 and they are literally giving me what I paid for my 2021.
You're definitely not getting rich by going with a diesel but you are not going backwards either plus you get the added power, range, drivability of the diesel.
Look at how much we are spending on fuel with either truck!
Yes many times and fill it to the very top! My mileage is actually about 1.2% better because of the tire size difference. The GPS app is really great at checking actual speeds. I run 35x13.50-20 Nitto Ridge Grapplers at 70psi all the way around. Many people run lower air pressures but that is a mpg killer. My tires are 80psi max cold load range F.
Speed is a giant factor here. When someone says highway what's that mean? Here I drive 80mph on the highway which sucks gas like no tomorrow. I'd get way better mileage if I was doing 65 or 70. Interestingly enough I traveled south about 50 miles the other day on I-25 doing 80 mph. Wind at my back going about 2,000 ft downhill. Got 18.3 mpg. Coming back the same way? 11.2 mpg. There's usually a lot more to the mpg story.
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