payload question, 7.3l xlt, 3027 lbs vs 5'er with advertised 2665lb hitch weight

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So I have tried to search this question and I have tried to search if the hitch weight advertised by the camper manufacture is loaded or not.
I am looking at a 39' -8" fifth wheel advertised as 11,330lbs "shipped weight" and 2665lb hitch weight. I am concerned with the trucks payload max at 3027, leaving 362lbs for family in the truck? which is not enough. does not included the hitch at 150-200, and even more concerning, does this even count loading the camper with clothes and food etc??
or is the hitch weight some percentage, (20-25) of the gvwr for the camper loaded? Waiting for keystone to answer that one...

your thoughts?
thanks
 
That pin weight is going to be the empty weight. If you look at 20% of the maximum gross trailer weight, plus the fifth wheel hitch, cargo and people in the truck it will probably be well over.
 
Sounds like you need a 350.

Your 250 Tremor is sprung the same as a 350 tremor, so the truck would handle it just fine (my 350 will have over 4200 lbs payload). However, if you ever get pulled into the scales, you're on the shit list.
 
Longrangehunter said:
Sounds like you need a 350.

Your 250 Tremor is sprung the same as a 350 tremor, so the truck would handle it just fine (my 350 will have over 4200 lbs payload). However, if you ever get pulled into the scales, you're on the shit list.
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You'll be fine with those weights even with the 7.3. I've been in the RV business over 40 years and have never even heard of a customer getting "pulled over the scales".....at least in Texas. These days everyone is freaked out about listed payloads. We have been towing over listed payloads for years whether it's pulling hay, grain, cattle or RVs.
The Texas Hwy Patrol Weights and Measures are looking for commercial trucks that are overloaded, not personal vehicles.
 
AMTRV said:
You'll be fine with those weights even with the 7.3. I've been in the RV business over 40 years and have never even heard of a customer getting "pulled over the scales".....at least in Texas. These days everyone is freaked out about listed payloads. We have been towing over listed payloads for years whether it's pulling hay, grain, cattle or RVs.
The Texas Hwy Patrol Weights and Measures are looking for commercial trucks that are overloaded, not personal vehicles.
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I'd hazard a guess that 80%+ of overloaded personal vehicles are because of "The RV salesman said my 1/2 ton would pull the 30 footer!?"

While I agree with you in theory, I don't know where OP is from, and some states are anal about it. Some have different regulations for requiring you to pull into the weigh station if you're over a certain weight or have "X" number of axles.
 
The truck could easily handle the weight. You WILL be over weight "Legally".

PLEASE consider this: If a drunk driver side swipes you, then crashes into a minivan and kills a whole family..... It will be YOU who will be held criminally liable for being over weight. It will be YOU who the lawyers come after. Towing above your certified capacities make you automatically at fault. I would not recommend. DO NOT listen to an RV Sales person........
 
Longrangehunter said:
I'd hazard a guess that 80%+ of overloaded personal vehicles are because of "The RV salesman said my 1/2 ton would pull the 30 footer!?"

While I agree with you in theory, I don't know where OP is from, and some states are anal about it. Some have different regulations for requiring you to pull into the weigh station if you're over a certain weight or have "X" number of axles.
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You're exactly right about the RV sales person selling larger units than a customer should actually pull with their tow vehicle. You can see it in this forum often. I can honestly say that my sales people had better not overload anyone.....it hasn't happened that I know of, which is the best I can do as the owner. I also sell trucks.
Regarding any state and their weight regulations.......if it bothers you, don't do it, but I don't know of and don't hear of any "weight Nazis" in Texas.
 
perfor8 said:
That seems like a lot of hitch weight for the weight of the trailer.
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I though that too, but it is around 19% of the shipping weight plus the carry capacity (that how they have it listed, no gvwr). so if you figured 20-25% like suggested by most sites, it is close to 3k.
 
AMTRV said:
Regarding any state and their weight regulations.......if it bothers you, don't do it, but I don't know of and don't hear of any "weight Nazis" in Texas.
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Texas is one of the last states you’d want to be in if facing a civil suit for negligence.

If you’re over your payload rating, and you’re involved in an accident, you’re liable. And in Texas there’s no ceiling on that liability.

And even if you are not involved in an accident, Texas has some of the highest overweight fines of any state (up to $10,000) and is one of few states that makes being overweight a criminal offense punishable by up to six months in jail.
 
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Longrangehunter said:
Sounds like you need a 350.

Your 250 Tremor is sprung the same as a 350 tremor, so the truck would handle it just fine (my 350 will have over 4200 lbs payload). However, if you ever get pulled into the scales, you're on the shit list.
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How are you figuring 4200? I just looked
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at a 2022 f350 ccsb 7.3 xlt non tremor and the payload is 3879. It had premium package, no sunroof. A 6.7 will get you less payload
 
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