Console to jump seat swap project (Reversible)

DigitalSnow · Aug 20, 2022

meatx22 said:
Do you know what size bolts need to be tapped? I’m assuming it’s metric

part W505275 - M10 X 30MM - https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/screw-6425985-1?pdp=y#sectionId:4263070

HS2 on the attached diagram

Compression-Ignition · Jan 12, 2023

Bumping this mostly so it's easy for me to find again. Seems like a pretty straight forward deal and I thought it would be, but I'd rather not be stumped on some stupid little thing and then get all ham fisted and start breaking stuff.

Got our 4th little one on the way and we talked about this, but never made a decision. Well it's getting closer and closer and I'd rather not be messing around trying to get this done right before baby get's here so, no time like the present. Thanks for the thread and all the pics.

Fezzik · Jun 11, 2023

Do you know what the torque specs were for the bolting the seat down to the truck?

TexanTremor · Jun 11, 2023

Fezzik said:
Do you know what the torque specs were for the bolting the seat down to the truck?

I wasn't too concerned with the torque, but I found this: (they say ~40 ftlb)

Seat bolt torque? - Ford F150 Forum - Community of Ford Truck Fans

2009 - 2014 Ford F150 - Seat bolt torque? - 2010 Screw here... anybody know what spec the front seat bolts should be torqued to? We're not fatties (I'm 6-1 and 225 and the wife isn't tellin' what she is) but both of our front seats became just a bit loose. Ok, truth be told, I tend to step on...

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https://www.justanswer.com/ford/c53cn-torque-spec-front-seat-bolts.html

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Fezzik · Jun 12, 2023

Thanks for this!!!. I used this thread to help out switching my 2023 f350 lariat ulitmate with center console to jump seat. It is much harder with a superduty with the pro power onboard. The wiring in the center console is completely different and i had to take the wiring out and use on the seat. I got it to work though.

devildog · Jun 12, 2023

I may have to go this route since it's been difficult finding a pre-owned 20'-22' F-350 Lariat Tremor with the front 40/20/40 Split Bench Seating. Does anyone know if the front passenger airbag setup is the same whether it's a 40/Console/40 seats or 40/20/40 Split Bench Seating (both from the factory)? Or does the front passenger side airbag extend to the center when it's deployed? Just curious.
Thank you all for sharing your tinkering!

devildog · Jun 12, 2023

Fezzik said:
Thanks for this!!!. I used this thread to help out switching my 2023 f350 lariat ulitmate with center console to jump seat. It is much harder with a superduty with the pro power onboard. The wiring in the center console is completely different and i had to take the wiring out and use on the seat. I got it to work though.

After the removal of the center console, did you end up covering up the openings with the proper trim pieces? I would love to see some photos of your mod if don't mind sharing. Thank you~ Chris

Fezzik · Jun 12, 2023

devildog said:
After the removal of the center console, did you end up covering up the openings with the proper trim pieces? I would love to see some photos of your mod if don't mind sharing. Thank you~ Chris

I did. Ordered from Ford as well. I think a couple hundred. I honestly thought it was going to be more. I'll grab photos tomorrow. But the 22's front is different than the 23s.

Fezzik · Jun 13, 2023

Also what you see where the phone goes in the arm rest area. I put a wireless charging pad in there since I had full access. I can put my iphone 12 pro max on there and it charges it well.

TexanTremor · Jun 13, 2023

Fezzik said:
Thanks for this!!!. I used this thread to help out switching my 2023 f350 lariat ulitmate with center console to jump seat. It is much harder with a superduty with the pro power onboard. The wiring in the center console is completely different and i had to take the wiring out and use on the seat. I got it to work though.

I'm glad you found some use out of this! It looks good! Thanks for sharing your project.

devildog · Jun 14, 2023

@Fezzik Wow, that's awesome, looks great! Thank you for the help~

Mrpositraction · Jun 17, 2023

Fezzik said:
I did. Ordered from Ford as well. I think a couple hundred. I honestly thought it was going to be more. I'll grab photos tomorrow. But the 22's front is different than the 23s.

Can you share the part numbers for the peices you ordered? I tried and failed at ordering parts to trim out, they didn't work with the hvac control trim and mt boyyom trim piece didnt work with the hvac going yo the back. . Your pictures look very similar to mine 22 F250 Lariat.

alexjk2356 · Nov 1, 2023

@Fezzik Bumping the last post. Do you still have the part numbers for all the dash trim pieces to clean this install up. I have a 22' with the same center console as yours and wanted to install the dash pieces.

EDIT: actually yours looks like a 23. So the part numbers wont work. Still curious how you even found the part numbers cause I am struggling for a 22.

Fezzik · Nov 28, 2023

alexjk2356 said:
@Fezzik Bumping the last post. Do you still have the part numbers for all the dash trim pieces to clean this install up. I have a 22' with the same center console as yours and wanted to install the dash pieces.

EDIT: actually yours looks like a 23. So the part numbers wont work. Still curious how you even found the part numbers cause I am struggling for a 22.

Sorry man. I didnt see this until now. I contacted Patrick Casey on facebook. he works at a ford dealership and he was able to find everything for me. I also looked on ebay for some parts and facebook marketplace. Oddlyh enough the ford oem parts were not that much.

TexanTremor · Dec 6, 2023

Today was the day to put the console back in. 2 kids out (mostly) out of the house, down to 3 that need rides. lol Not too much trouble getting the console back in. The biggest PITA was getting the drink holder insert to snap back into the front trim area. I'm excited to have the cordless charger and more drink holders.

Note - I also made some edits to the original post concerning the bolt sizes.

DigitalSnow · May 8, 2024

Forgot to share the images from my swap. Not the prettiest since there is no matching leather for KR trim, but needs must, and black is not too bad.

Also wanted to call out that the factory power running boards control module was inside my console with an additional wiring harness. Just have it sitting under the passenger seat.

Lusch52 · Jun 27, 2024

I am having twins in August/september. Kids #3/4 looks like I’m going to have to do the swap. Are you looking to sell your jump seat?? I do not currently have any leads on one and when I last called katskinz they said they no longer sell individual pieces.

TexanTremor · Jun 28, 2024

Lusch52 said:
I am having twins in August/september. Kids #3/4 looks like I’m going to have to do the swap. Are you looking to sell your jump seat?? I do not currently have any leads on one and when I last called katskinz they said they no longer sell individual pieces.

Congratulations on the new additions! I am not looking to sell it just yet, but there are often seats and covers on ebay.

Maybe this one?

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ranevarez1 · May 22, 2025

TexanTremor said:
I have a pretty big family and we needed the 6 passenger configuration, but I preferred the console on the truck. After doing some research online I found some folks that had swapped between the two. I looked at part availability and found that the jump seats are relatively easy to come by, but the consoles are not. When you do find a console it is easily over $1000. I ordered my truck with the console with the idea that I might swap it out. I gathered the parts and *mostly* finished the project. I thought I would post what I did so anyone who is considering it can see that it is completely doable.

First I sourced the jump seat from Ebay. The black leather lariat (my trucks spec) jump seats are really scarce and expensive, but the XL grey vinyl ones are common.

Ebay:
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More Ebay searching and I found the Katzkin black leather covers for the jumpseat.

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Reskinning the seat cover
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Edit: Apparently the original video I used is no longer on youtube... I found this one that should work:

The video talks about the most time consuming part of the reskin being the top door cover over the storage, and it is. Apparently it is very easy to break most of the little plastic tabs off the cover which makes it a big ordeal to reaffix the two halves, but I was lucky and only broke a couple off. I used this little scraper to pop the panel off:

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I bought this cheap little upholstery stapler for the job:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KQ52FBB/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I ran into a little snag with the bottom cushion - there are two types. I think the F150 does not have the bottom storage compartment that the SDs have, so I needed a replacement bottom cover - it is thicker and has the release cutout for the bottom storage:

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The mostly reskinned and reassembled seat:

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Now the removal of the console. I found a few videos online that helped:
This first video is janky but honestly was one of the most helpful

Forum posts:

Help needed - Center Console removal - No Key detected Error - wiring diagram? - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums

2017 - 2022 Super Duty - Help needed - Center Console removal - No Key detected Error - wiring diagram? - Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the 2017 Super Duty (center console)? I have removed the center console and am unable to start the truck - Error message No Key Detected . I have traced...

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All you need to do to remove the console is pull the main drink holder up in the back releasing the 6 or so clips, then pull that insert toward the rear. Unclip the 2 wiring harnesses attached to the bottom of it, one is the KV antenna (PATS) for the push button start, and one for the drink holder lights.

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Unscrew the single screw from the far forward part of the left bottom trim piece and unsnap both left and right side pieces as directed in the video and remove them. There are also 2 small pieces to pop off, all covered in that video. Once those are off there are 6 10mm bolts to remove. Then the console can be slid rearward a bit. I unplugged the main wiring harness and the USB harness at that point, then tilted the console up to unplug the harness underneath.

This is the forward part under the console. You can see the air conditioning manifold that connects to the flow through ducts in the console to the rear seat vents, and the main white harness plug and the black USB plug. The heater manifold is directly under the AC manifold. It runs under the carpet and goes to the under seat floor vents for the rear passengers. My understanding is that a combined manifold can be purchased so the rear AC flows through the underfloor heater ducts, but I have not gotten those yet.
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This is the bottom of the console tilted up and the remaining harness plug.
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So one of the big concerns in this project is if you have a push button start you need to either buy a new KV antenna or move the existing one. They are only about $20 bucks, but the wiring harness is not cheap. There are just two torx holding the antenna to the bottom of the console (see previous picture of drink holder bottom) so I opted to move the existing one. Tracing the wires I found that the green/orange stripe and the blue/grey stripe were the two PATS antenna wires, so I just clipped 2 inline connectors and an old molex connector from a computer onto the main harness under the dash. I cut the 2 wire PATS harness from under the console drink tray so I could attach the required molex connectors to both the PATS plug side and the harness side, so whenever I decide to go back to the console all I need to do is unplug the PATS antenna from the front wire harness and plug it back into the underside of the console.

Inline connectors/ molex on PATS wires:
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Once the console is removed you can see the same 2 brackets that hold either the console or jump seat. The trucks that come with the console do not have the bracket threads tapped, here are some pictures:
You can see the large jump seat untapped "nut" and the smaller console nut next to it. This is the front bracket.
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The jump seat that I bought came with the brackets attached, so I did not have to worry about tapping them myself. Here is a comparison of the untapped and tapped rear brackets:

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There are 4 bolts holding the two brackets in place, 18mm. Once the brackets are in place it is a simple task of just bolting the jump seat down (5x13mm). The only issue I ran into here is the right bottom rear bolt is blocked by the passenger seat rail. You need some way to access the bolt, like a universal joint ratchet.

Almost finished project:

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The unfinished part - I have not purchased the vanity trim piece(s) to cover the lower dash where the console attached. Also the AC/heater manifold could be combined. Truthfully it is so low and not all that visible to me I'm not sure I will do it, since I plan to switch back to the console eventually. If I do swap it out I will update this post.

I hope this helps anyone out there considering the switch. It was not difficult and it is easily reversible - no damage was done to the truck by swapping it.

thank you for all this great info. i am surprised at how little info their is online to get this done. i have 4 kids and we need the 6th seat. i have a 2022 expedition max and it struggles to pull my 35 ft jayco jayflight at 8300 lbs dry. so i am going to swap my center console for the jump seat. this is my ebay cart. do i need the right and left center bezel peices??? i have a 2022 f 250 lariat. thanks again for all your help!

Tn250KR · May 31, 2025

Fezzik said:
Thanks for this!!!. I used this thread to help out switching my 2023 f350 lariat ulitmate with center console to jump seat. It is much harder with a superduty with the pro power onboard. The wiring in the center console is completely different and i had to take the wiring out and use on the seat. I got it to work though.

I’m looking at doing this in my 24 King Ranch with Pro Power. I’m confident on everything expect the wiring. Can you explain what you had to do with the Pro Power wiring and any other wiring to accommodate the seat? Thanks in advance!