Given the new 22 duratracs aren't snowflake rated, I'm looking into winter tire options. Or possibly year round snowflake rated options and selling the duratracs. Don't wanna go taller 35 is good for me. Wider would be okay but want to keep factory rims. Thoughts?
Winter tire options
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There is another thread in hear where they discuss the Duratrac stock tires that come on the 2022s. As you’ve noticed, this year’s stock tires do not of the 3PMSF symbol on them. They do have M+S but they don’t appear to have the extra snowflake rating. The conclusion seemed to be that in an effort to save costs, Ford is having the 2022 tires specially made for them. If that’s the case, I’m not very happy about it. You can probably search on Duratrac and find the thread. I’m going to watch this thread to see what other suggestions there are. I really don’t want to run 2 sets if I don’t have to.
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I live in western Washington and therefore drive in lots of rainy conditions. I also drive my family up to the mountains most weekends for skiing, so snow/ice performance is paramount.
I had Falken AT3W 285/70r17 on my F150 and loved them.
On the F250 Tremor I put on the stock size (285/75r18) Falken AT3W. Highly recommend.
I had Falken AT3W 285/70r17 on my F150 and loved them.
On the F250 Tremor I put on the stock size (285/75r18) Falken AT3W. Highly recommend.
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Are you running the setup all year around or is that your winter setup?
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Definitely considering selling the duratracs and buying those at3w
BFG KO2s have the three-peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF), and come in load rating appropriate for a Super-Duty.
But if you want a true winter tire, my family has been running Nokian tires for decades, and we love them. Any true winter tire will blow away an All-Season, All-Terrain, or Mud tire on snow and ice. The difference has to be experienced to be understood. We live at 8,500 feet and drive a lot of winding canyons, and winter is looong up here. Nokian is one of the most popular brands in the mountain towns of Colorado. They make both studded, and non-studded winter tires, but the only tire they make in 35-inches is the Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT3: LT315/70R17 121/118Q (Studded or Non-Studded); max speed up to 100 mph, max load 3200 lb.
Nokian Home Page: https://www.nokiantires.com/
I don't work for Nokian, just love their winter tires
Both the Goodyear Duratrac and the Cooper ST MAXX can be studded for improved traction on ice and hard-pack snow, but the rubber on these tires is not as sticky on snow/ice as is the rubber found in true winter tires (Nokian, Blizzak, etc.). Good luck!
But if you want a true winter tire, my family has been running Nokian tires for decades, and we love them. Any true winter tire will blow away an All-Season, All-Terrain, or Mud tire on snow and ice. The difference has to be experienced to be understood. We live at 8,500 feet and drive a lot of winding canyons, and winter is looong up here. Nokian is one of the most popular brands in the mountain towns of Colorado. They make both studded, and non-studded winter tires, but the only tire they make in 35-inches is the Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT3: LT315/70R17 121/118Q (Studded or Non-Studded); max speed up to 100 mph, max load 3200 lb.
Nokian Home Page: https://www.nokiantires.com/
I don't work for Nokian, just love their winter tires
Both the Goodyear Duratrac and the Cooper ST MAXX can be studded for improved traction on ice and hard-pack snow, but the rubber on these tires is not as sticky on snow/ice as is the rubber found in true winter tires (Nokian, Blizzak, etc.). Good luck!
- Jan 20, 2020
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- 2020 F250 7.3 Tremor Lariat, Magnetic w/chrooome
- Duckworth XL 30
I run them year round. They have a special silica that helps grip in colder wet conditions but they still wear well.
If I were looking for a specific winter setup, I would go for something more snow-oriented, but the Falkens have the Snowpeak symbol and grip better than BFG A/T's or Duratracs (in my experience). I also had Cooper's winter tire with tons of siping and were studdable when I lived in central Oregon. They did well.
Honest question: just because they don’t have the 3PMS, do we have any evidence the 22MY tires are any worse in winter than the ones with it? Has there actually been any changes (compound, siping, etc)?
This winter I’m going to try them out and see how they do. If they work well then it could just be the symbol is gone.
This winter I’m going to try them out and see how they do. If they work well then it could just be the symbol is gone.
I saw their tires are very popular in iceland... if it works there should work in our winters
Do you have any pics of the AT3W tires on a Tremor? If i missed a thread on them can you post the thread with the pics?
I am taking a look at the BFG KO2 in the 305/70R18 Tire Size. 3 Peak Snowflake Winter Rated and a little wider than stock but same height.
They are designed, developed, tested and made in Norway and Russia
I also live at 8000 feet in the mountains west of Aspen. On our Audi I run nothing but Nokian tires and will also happily sing their praises. Aside from being high centered, that car will confidently drive in conditions that make me very uncomfortable in my truck. My Duratracs have 2200 miles in them and this issue has me looking for an alternative. I really want one year round tire for the Tremor but may relent and run a set of Nokian in winter and the OEM tires in summer.BFG KO2s have the three-peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF), and come in load rating appropriate for a Super-Duty.
But if you want a true winter tire, my family has been running Nokian tires for decades, and we love them. Any true winter tire will blow away an All-Season, All-Terrain, or Mud tire on snow and ice. The difference has to be experienced to be understood. We live at 8,500 feet and drive a lot of winding canyons, and winter is looong up here. Nokian is one of the most popular brands in the mountain towns of Colorado. They make both studded, and non-studded winter tires, but the only tire they make in 35-inches is the Nokian Hakkapeliitta LT3: LT315/70R17 121/118Q (Studded or Non-Studded); max speed up to 100 mph, max load 3200 lb.
Nokian Home Page: https://www.nokiantires.com/
I don't work for Nokian, just love their winter tires
Both the Goodyear Duratrac and the Cooper ST MAXX can be studded for improved traction on ice and hard-pack snow, but the rubber on these tires is not as sticky on snow/ice as is the rubber found in true winter tires (Nokian, Blizzak, etc.). Good luck!
I’ve had a couple of Audis over the years, and on Nokian Hakkas those cars were absurdly sure-footed on snow and ice. We loved those cars in the winter, but - as you said - were always getting high centered in unplowed parking areas at winter trailheads. We carried two shovels, and always got out, but eventually I sold the Audis. Too bad you can’t drive an Audi on the highway, and press a button that turns it into a
If you only want one set of tires for the Tremor, the "three-peak mountain snowflake" Duratracs might be your best option. But - as you know - you will never match the winter performance of a true winter tire.
Not that we drive like this, but check out an Audi RS6 on Nokian Hakkas hitting 206 mph on ice!
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If Nokian made a tire that was OEM size I’d buy them for any price, I think they’re that good. Looks like I’m either going to get a “real” Duratrac with the 3peak rating or the slightly wider KO2. Winter performance is very important to me. More important than ride quality or duration. I get new Nokian’s for the Audi every 2 yrs and would do the same for the Tremor of necessary.
Hey LeviGarrett,
Nokian makes the Hakkapeliitta LT3 in LT315/70R17 (121/118Q, Studded, max load 3200 lb, speed rating up to 100 mph). This is approximately 34.4 x 12.4 inches on a 17-inch wheel. That should work on a Tremor. See: Nokian Hakka LT3.
If you are shopping for Duratracs, it sounds like you are already aware that some models of the Duratrac are rated "three-peak mountain snowflake" (3PMSF), and some are not. You'd think that 3PMSF would be consistent across different sizes or load ratings of the same model tire, but that's not the case. Maybe they sacrifice the softer/stickier rubber compound in the 3PMSF tires to increase load rating or tire-longevity (just a guess - I don't know why the snow-rating varies). Here is a short excerpt from the Tire Rack:
"Most Wrangler DuraTrac light truck tires are branded with the three-peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF) symbol to identify they meet the industry's severe snow service standards and if so, will be noted in the tire's Details & Pricing section. The absence of the "Severe Snow Service Rated" text indicates that size is not 3PMSF-branded." (Source: Duratrac page on the Tire Rack)
However, according to the Tire Rack, all BFG KO2s get the 3PMSF rating (but I'd still check before buying):
"Note: BFGoodrich All-Terrain T/A KO2 tires meet the industry's severe snow service requirements and are branded with the three-peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF) symbol." (Source: BFG KO2 page on the Tire Rack)
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I read somewhere how they tested for the snowflake symbol and was less than impressed. I've been running Duratracs in Alaska for years and that's what I'm putting on my truck when it arrives, soon I hope..
Snowing all day here in the mountains of Colorado...
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