Why does the F250 Tremor have a F350 spring pack?

[Birdhunter39]

I guess this is a dumb question but why would you take a standard F250, make an off road version, and equip it with an F350 spring pack?

I'm just not understanding this. If they don't put 350 springs under FX4 or std SD 250's then why do it to the Tremor? And why no standard height progressive spring pack from the aftermarket? Shouldn't such a thing be very simple to produce?

 

[PapaRaptor]

Its a production product not a hand made one off. Just to keep it simple on the assembly line. Tremor is not a model it is just an option.

 

[Jericho]

Its a production product not a hand made one off. Just to keep it simple on the assembly line. Tremor is not a model it is just an option.

That can't possibly be correct.

Ford intentionally ADDED to F350 rear end to the F250 Tremor... If simplicity of process management were the goal, then they would not have added the uprated rear end to this one specific package to the exclusion of all other related variants.

The answer, of course, is that it's fancier. Ford just does shit like that sometimes. Just look at this custom job they did for brandon... The deluxe wrap, the second steering wheel. Sometimes Ford just wants you to know, deep deep down, that they care.

I kid, obviously... Ford doesn't give a shit. It's probably a product of a market share analysis... Maybe a risk process liability analysis regarding the physical stresses inherent to the suspensions of off-road capable HD trucks... Regardless, they ran their numbers, projected failure rates, fatalities, and chose the cheapest option that satisfied their metrics.

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[GreyBeard22]

Regardless, they ran their numbers, projected failure rates, fatalities, and chose the cheapest option that satisfied their metrics.

Watched /read Fight Club recently?

 

[GodzillaDude]

My guess would be to help maintain towing capacity

 

[oops]

My guess would be to help maintain towing capacity

This would be my guess too.

Ford introduced the Tremor as an answer to the Ram Power Wagon.

Other than brand loyalty, towing capacities are the primary reason people select the Super Duties over Rams.

If the Tremor had the F250 rear-end, it might have similar or worse tow ratings than the Power Wagon. Completely defeating the purpose of the Tremor to Ford.

 

[GodzillaDude]

This would be my guess too.

Ford introduced the Tremor as an answer to the Ram Power Wagon.

Other than brand loyalty, towing capacities are the primary reason people select the Super Duties over Rams.

If the Tremor had the F250 rear-end, it might have similar or worse tow ratings than the Power Wagon. Completely defeating the purpose of the Tremor to Ford.

I considered the Power Wagon, until I figured out it gave up almost all of it’s payload and towing capacity

 

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[Birdhunter39]

My guess would be to help maintain towing capacity

Maintain? Where did it go? F250's don't have good towing capacity?

Tremor is a 1/2" taller coil spring, 1" taller rear spring block, limited slip front, 1" taller tires and some off road software. Which of those things killed the tow/load capacity to the point of needing F350 springs?

 

[Birdhunter39]

If the Tremor had the F250 rear-end, it might have similar or worse tow ratings than the Power Wagon. Completely defeating the purpose of the Tremor to Ford.

How? F250's have better towing capacity than Ram.

 

[drtwrm]

I guess this is a dumb question but why would you take a standard F250, make an off road version, and equip it with an F350 spring pack?

I'm just not understanding this. If they don't put 350 springs under FX4 or std SD 250's then why do it to the Tremor? And why no standard height progressive spring pack from the aftermarket? Shouldn't such a thing be very simple to produce?

Just a guess but I would think it has everything to do with the 35" tire package. That size might seem tame by today's standards but it's still a pretty large wheel exhibiting a good deal of extra torque on the axle, especially when towing or with payload. With the increased tire size maybe Ford determined it was best paired with 4.30 gears to compensate and work with the 10sp transmission. Now the M275 axle makes perfect sense since it can handle both the additional load and is compatible with 4.30 gears (I don't believe the sterling can accomodate gears numerically higher than 3.73's ?). If you've got an M275 axle then why not just use the spring pack designed for it as well?

 

[oops]

How? F250's have better towing capacity than Ram.

Yes, non-Tremor F-250's.

The Tremor package reduces overall capacity by a meaningful percentage on the F350 rear-end. (I don't recall the specific amount in each instance. Refer to the Towing Guide.)

If it that reduction was same or more on a F250 rear-end, a true F250 Tremor might have a maximum capacity more similar to a Ram.

That's my guess here.

 

[GodzillaDude]

Maintain? Where did it go? F250's don't have good towing capacity?

Tremor is a 1/2" taller coil spring, 1" taller rear spring block, limited slip front, 1" taller tires and some off road software. Which of those things killed the tow/load capacity to the point of needing F350 springs?

I will take a second guess (notice the word guess) - to handle the extra torque applied to the rear end when off road - what is your guess? I am not an engineer are you?

 

[VB!]

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Fake or not, it's funny.

I would want that second wheel option before getting into a car with Brandon driving.

I've had to deal with enough elderly drivers in my family to know not to trust that guy behind the wheel. Couple his age with the fact that he rarely if ever drives and it would be a problem waiting to happen.

 

[VB!]

Just a guess but I would think it has everything to do with the 35" tire package. That size might seem tame by today's standards but it's still a pretty large wheel exhibiting a good deal of extra torque on the axle, especially when towing or with payload. With the increased tire size maybe Ford determined it was best paired with 4.30 gears to compensate and work with the 10sp transmission. Now the M275 axle makes perfect sense since it can handle both the additional load and is compatible with 4.30 gears (I don't believe the sterling can accomodate gears numerically higher than 3.73's ?). If you've got an M275 axle then why not just use the spring pack designed for it as well?

Your guess is a good part of why the package was so attractive to me. I'm a guy that breaks things so even though I'll probably never use the full capacity of my Tremor I have comfort in knowing that everything is oversized for my intended use. It should be beyond what I'll do to it. I like that. I had replaced enough half ton transmissions, gears, and axles in the past to just want it overbuilt.

 

[Birdhunter39]

Appreciate the theories guys. Agree i want a tough truck that won't break.

Just seems this concept of capacity is very foggy and i'm not sure why that would be. Take the Carli suspension for example. They say you give up 15-20% capacity with their full setup. Based on what? How is that rated?

 

[GodzillaDude]

Appreciate the theories guys. Agree i want a tough truck that won't break.

Just seems this concept of capacity is very foggy and i'm not sure why that would be. Take the Carli suspension for example. They say you give up 15-20% capacity with their full setup. Based on what? How is that rated?

Based on spring rates not supporting the load for towing

 

[GodzillaDude]

Also softer spring rates reduce payload

 

[drtwrm]

Appreciate the theories guys. Agree i want a tough truck that won't break.

Just seems this concept of capacity is very foggy and i'm not sure why that would be. Take the Carli suspension for example. They say you give up 15-20% capacity with their full setup. Based on what? How is that rated?

Softer off-road capable suspension at the expense of max payload and tow ratings. The duratracs and shocks on the Tremor package have got to be the largest, if not, only real contributors to the sticker derates on our trucks compared to a standard 250/350 stock for stock

 

[GodzillaDude]

Softer springs = more compliant ride but that compliance comes at a cost. Softer springs support less weight, thus the reduction in payload and towing capacity.

Kits like Carli use softer springs to create a freer moving, more compliant suspension to improve ride feeling and reduce the harsh impacts the factory suspension transmits through to the frame and the seat of your pants.