What will void a warranty

[StrikezoneNJ]

Apologize in advance if this thread has been started already, but I think it will be useful discussion for many now and in the future. What mods will void a warranty, not void a warranty and the gray area. And how do you know? Let the games begin….

 

[Busa Dave]

Impossible to answer if you want the bottom line from those of us who have been there and done that. Sorry to be blunt but that is just the truth of the matter when you read the statements Ford put into the Warranty Language you accepted when you purchased the truck. You accepted it by default otherwise, Ford would not have sold you the vehicle. The Dealer has no ability to interpret or change the Warranty provided to you by FOMCO.

 

[StrikezoneNJ]

Impossible to answer if you want the bottom line from those of us who have been there and done that. Sorry to be blunt but that is just the truth of the matter when you read the statements Ford put into the Warranty Language you accepted when you purchased the truck. You accepted it by default otherwise, Ford would not have sold you the vehicle. The Dealer has no ability to interpret or change the Warranty provided to you by FOMCO.

Ok let’s go with expierences then

 

[Vecman]

In simplest terms, if you mod your vehicle, and then you have an issue, and it can be traced/proved the mod caused the issue, you will probably not have coverage. If it’s gray area, it will depend on who’s the better negotiator. An aftermarket stereo system can’t void the warranty on your transmission if it goes out. But a new suspension - you might have to investigate and make some arguments.

 

[StrikezoneNJ]

In simplest terms, if you mod your vehicle, and then you have an issue, and it can be traced/proved the mod caused the issue, you will probably not have coverage. If it’s gray area, it will depend on who’s the better negotiator. An aftermarket stereo system can’t void the warranty on your transmission if it goes out. But a new suspension - you might have to investigate and make some arguments.

Logical response

 

[Greefin]

A lot depends on your local dealer and how they present issue to main office. Some might not bat an eye at a lift/level kit and drive train issues other will blame it on the imbalance of weight caused by a rear window decal.

 

[Busa Dave]

A lot depends on your local dealer and how they present issue to main office. Some might not bat an eye at a lift/level kit and drive train issues other will blame it on the imbalance of weight caused by a rear window decal.

That is the way it used to be but no longer. Times change with modern software and the ease of pictures or video to support FOMCO when they do this. Ford asks very specific questions with respect to lift kits when a repair is being done. This is why if you get a lit kit or suspension mod done when you buy the vehicle you had better make sure you have a warranty from the dealer specific to what was done because it is NOT covered by FOMCO no matter what the Dealer tells you.

Just read it.....

 

[Busa Dave]

In simplest terms, if you mod your vehicle, and then you have an issue, and it can be traced/proved the mod caused the issue, you will probably not have coverage. If it’s gray area, it will depend on who’s the better negotiator. An aftermarket stereo system can’t void the warranty on your transmission if it goes out. But a new suspension - you might have to investigate and make some arguments.

This is where you are mistaken... If the install was done poorly and the power wire let's say for one of the direct 0-gauge wires from the battery to your big boy amplifier shorts and a surge is caused and it toasts the TCM then it is on you.

I have had strange things happen especially when I used to run propane injection as a supplement catalyst.

 

[W1cK3dSiK]

Apologize in advance if this thread has been started already, but I think it will be useful discussion for many now and in the future. What mods will void a warranty, not void a warranty and the gray area. And how do you know? Let the games begin….

There are way too many factors at hand when it comes to warranty. Warranty submissions are handled case by case, which means a modification doesn't simply "void" your warranty. Instead the issue at hand is submitted by the handling advisor or dealership and if it's determined that an outside influence such as a modification caused the issue, the claim is denied. Of course it helps to have a good relationship with your advisor or dealership if you do have any modifications. If you don't and they simply don't want to do the warranty work they might be quick to turn you away if they have any reason to do so.

 

[Loshad]

When I had my oil changed last month I had them rotate the tires.
The service writer asked if I had stock wheels. Like what the hell
difference does that make?

 

[W1cK3dSiK]

When I had my oil changed last month I had them rotate the tires.
The service writer asked if I had stock wheels. Like what the hell
difference does that make?

There is often an oversized wheel/tire fee on rotations. That’s the only reason I can think that they would ask that.

 

[Vecman]

This is where you are mistaken... If the install was done poorly and the power wire let's say for one of the direct 0-gauge wires from the battery to your big boy amplifier shorts and a surge is caused and it toasts the TCM then it is on you.

I have had strange things happen especially when I used to run propane injection as a supplement catalyst.

“Simplest terms” - and again, it’s on them to prove that, or you to prove otherwise. My statement in simplest terms is correct. This topic can be as complicated or simple as it needs to be for the OPs question.

 

[Cropgun]

Anything a dealership is willing to slap on will not have warranty issues. Before the shortage of vehicles you could get lifted trucks with big tires, intakes, catback exausts, etc from a dealer on brand new trucks.

All the vanilla stuff is going to be safe. Adding forced induction to a naturally aspirated engine will likely not fly, ramming tons more boost into your 6.7 will also likely not fly.

 

[Busa Dave]

“Simplest terms” - and again, it’s on them to prove that, or you to prove otherwise. My statement in simplest terms is correct. This topic can be as complicated or simple as it needs to be for the OPs question.

Sorry but it does not work that way. Try again.

How many times have you been through this with a FSE from the manufacturer??

I will enlighten you after you answer the question.

 

[Vecman]

Anything a dealership is willing to slap on will not have warranty issues. Before the shortage of vehicles you could get lifted trucks with big tires, intakes, catback exausts, etc from a dealer on brand new trucks.

All the vanilla stuff is going to be safe. Adding forced induction to a naturally aspirated engine will likely not fly, ramming tons more boost into your 6.7 will also likely not fly.

Here in AZ, there’s still a few trucks at the local Ford dealership with “Black Widow’ packages on the lots for sale. Big lifts and tires, badging, and who knows what else. Even had it on a new Ranger model on the showroom floor as well. Ultimately, manufacturer/dealer has to prove that what we did caused the issue. That’s the law. Be careful with your gauge pod modification - pretty risky. Lol

 

[Busa Dave]

Here in AZ, there’s still a few trucks at the local Ford dealership with “Black Widow’ packages on the lots for sale. Big lifts and tires, badging, and who knows what else. Even had it on a new Ranger model on the showroom floor as well. Ultimately, manufacturer/dealer has to prove that what we did caused the issue. That’s the law. Be careful with your gauge pod modification - pretty risky. Lol

LOL ten to this guy you will be holding the bag.... Thinks he understands what he is talking about but it is much more complicated. Be advised he does not know enough to be dangerous.

 

[Vecman]

Sorry but it does not work that way. Try again.

How many times have you been through this with a FSE from the manufacturer??

I will enlighten you after you answer the question.

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act - “The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act prohibits product manufacturers from conditioning consumer warranties on the use of any original equipment part or service. Furthermore, a manufacturer can only deny warranty coverage if it can demonstrate that a non-original equipment part or related service caused a defect to occur in the original product.”

Your right, my statement was off. I have no burden on me to defend/explain anything. Manufacturer has to prove that what I did caused the issue.

 

[Busa Dave]

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act - “The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act prohibits product manufacturers from conditioning consumer warranties on the use of any original equipment part or service. Furthermore, a manufacturer can only deny warranty coverage if it can demonstrate that a non-original equipment part or related service caused a defect to occur in the original product.”

Your right, my statement was off. I have no burden on me to defend/explain anything. Manufacturer has to prove that what I did caused the issue.

Bless Captain Googles heart. He has 0 experience with this and is just making himself look even more disconnected. Maybe someone else can help him to understand what really goes on when the FSE submits his findings. Then go on and explain what your responsibilities are after the FSE renders his report. If you do not understand and this is just a portion I would suggest you contact your Counsel to "splain" it to you. Literally is that simple...

Here are just a few small parts of the 2022 Ford Warranty for you to peruse.

"Ford participates in the BBB AUTO LINE warranty dispute resolution program. You may contact BBB AUTO LINE by calling 800-955-5100. You are required to submit your warranty dispute to the BBB AUTO LINE before exercising rights or seeking remedies under the Federal Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, 15 U.S.C. § 2301 et seq. To the extent permitted by the applicable state ‘‘Lemon Law’’, you are also required to submit your warranty dispute to the BBB AUTO LINE before exercising any rights or seeking remedies under the ‘‘Lemon Law’’. If you choose to seek remedies that are not created by the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act or the applicable state ‘‘Lemon Law,’’ you are not required to first use BBB AUTO LINE to resolve your dispute – although the program is still available to you"

"Damage Caused by Alteration or Modification The New Vehicle Limited Warranty does not cover any damage caused by: • alterations or modifications of the vehicle, including the body, chassis, electronics or their components, after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor Company • tampering with the vehicle, tampering with the emissions systems or with the other parts that affect these systems (for example, but not limited to exhaust and intake systems) • the installation or use of a non-Ford Motor Company part or software (other than a certified emissions part or software) or any part or software (Ford or non-Ford) designed for off-road use only installed after the vehicle leaves the control of Ford Motor Company, if the installed part fails or causes a Ford part to fail. Examples include, but are not limited to lift kits, oversized tires, roll bars, cellular phones, alarm systems, automatic starting systems and performance-enhancing powertrain components or software and performance “chips”. Your vehicle may allow, enable or facilitate the use of certain non-Ford Motor Company software. Ford is not responsible for the functionality of such software. Ford may disallow, discontinue or modify your ability to use such software at any time without prior notification or incurring any warranty or other obligation. Non-Ford Motor Company software may be governed by End User License Agreement or warranty provided by the software provider. For Ford Motor Company software see End User License Agreement found in the Owner Manual

 

[Vecman]

How about you stop winking at everyone and just show us all where we are so misinformed. I read the act, and I’ve seen countless posts on here from many members confirming the same viewpoint. And yes, as far as google is concerned, plenty of law offices quoting what I quoted above, and offering their services for manufacturers violating the law. But apparently, all of those things are wrong, and you’re the only guy that knows that truth. So, again, stop the damn winking emoji and lay it out for us.

 

[mattdm]

When I had my oil changed last month I had them rotate the tires.
The service writer asked if I had stock wheels. Like what the hell
difference does that make?

Rotating 37x12" mud terrains that weigh 100lbs each is a lot different then rotating the stock highway tires on 18" rims. Also many after market wheels require tuner lugs that also require a special key to remove and are probably not safe to use an impact on. All these factors take extra time and larger wheels may require a second technician to lift due to labor safety laws(here its 50lbs per person max).