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Bill_D

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After a trip to Moab in April, I've convinced my wife we need to invest in a camper. I had already decided we needed a fifth-wheel, toy hauler, but that only narrows things down a little. I know how we operate, so there are a few must haves:
  • 1.5 bathrooms
  • Sleeping for 4-6 (No need for a bunkhouse for us)
  • 3k or under pin weight, 16k or under GVWR
Then there are the things that would be nice to have:
  • Generator (or at least gen prep package)
  • Large oven and full size fridge
  • I would love an east/west master bed arrangement, but this is not a deal breaker.
  • Outdoor living area/kitchen area (The garage patio covers this a bit, but some mfgs offer it, so it counts)
  • Good dealer network/warranty/mfg rep
  • Full welded aluminum frame. No sticks and tin.
Today we made our first visits to the RV dealerships to check out a few of the offerings out there. I had shopped around online and found a few dealers that offered some good options for us to look at.

We first looked at a KZ Sportster 353TH13. This is the lightest offering I could find that still met our initial requirements. We both really liked the KZ. The positives, it is a very aesthetically pleasing unit. Matches our style and eye. By far the most affordable unit we looked at today with a cost of around $55k. It also has a 13' garage which would fit most anything we would want to drag around (RZR, Golf Kart, Bikes, kayaks, whatever). The shower was the best we've seen so far as well as the bathroom layout in general.

Next, we hit up the Keystone Fuzions. I had really high hopes for the Fuzions. I love the tie downs they offer in the garage area. I was excited for a step up in fit and finish, and the reputation of the Keystone products online is very good. We looked at the biggest towable we would ever consider in the Fuzion 430, a more reasonable 373, and what I hoped would be the perfect Fuzion Impact 367.

The 430 was a solid No. The floorpan didn't make sense, it was HUGE. Way too big. and although it was the most expensive, it disappointed.

The 373 was nice. The glass doors at the garage entry and rear door were nice. The fit and finish was a step up from the KZ, but it was not without it's flaws. The countertops were a step up. Really nice solid surface. But, we found some of the "tile" backsplash had a warp in it, there were doors that didn't close easily or fully and other little misses on a brand new unit. One undeniable advantage for the Fuzion though is the welded aluminum construction. I'm not sure how much value can be put on that, but to me (the completely uneducated) it seems huge.

The Impact 367 was very comparable in fit and finish to the KZ. No glass doors, no full body paint, no fancy suspension / tires. It was definitely the base model for the Fuzion line. But that's what we expected. Overall, it was just ok. The KZ was better in most areas, but even this little Fuzion was an aluminum frame. But, it's about 50% more than the KZ.

We looked at a few Wolf Pack Cherokees, but they just weren't our style.

Lastly, we looked at the Jayco Talon. The Talon was a very nice unit. It was darker and seemingly more dated than the others, but Jayco makes a quality product and it was noticeable. This unit wasn't our favorite floorpan, but we might have to look into this line more.

If anyone has any feedback on what to look for or look at or brands to avoid, I'd love to hear it. Next we hope to look at Grand Design and Heartland.
 
Check out ATC Toyhauler, I have a pull behind and love it. High quality and some flexibility to custom build within the kits, their 5ers are pretty bad ass.
 
I love the momentum 5th wheels. 320g is the one we are going to be buying next spring. Maybe a 353g but momentum to me is a little nicer than fuzion. Fuzion 373 was my other favorite.
 
ATC is the best quality. Not necessarily the most elegant inside but 100% practical and usable with more adaptability than most brands. 100% Aluminum and composite construction. Relatively light weight for its size and high weight capacity design. Large holding tanks. https://aluminumtoyhauler.com/fifth-wheel/
Capable of hauling a full size vehicle or lots of toys:
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I love the momentum 5th wheels. 320g is the one we are going to be buying next spring. Maybe a 353g but momentum to me is a little nicer than fuzion. Fuzion 373 was my other favorite.
Another vote for the momentum’s, we’ve got the 350g which just adds a couple feet to the garage and we love it. With the generator and all we’re under 3k on the front. The only thing I’d mention is the rear approach angle is a little low and you have to be careful on what entrances you take getting in and out of some parking lots, but I have a feeling that’s probably pretty common on 40 ft fivers.
 
Having owned a few Rv's, my strongest suggestion is more about your dealers service. You'll need them. Buying local has a lot to do with getting an appointment. That's why I'll give another vote for Momentum. They have a good reputation in the medium priced ToyHaulers, and they have several floor plans suitable for your Tremors weight class. Yes, you'll want 3 A/C's. Having the Gasoline Station and the Gas powered 6500 Generator are all plus's, so are Slide-Out toppers. RedZilla is right about ATC trailers, their quality is exceptional. Unfortunately their choice in interiors are far from what my wife and I call comfortable. Not sure if they're a 4 season trailer. Have fun ..
 
After a trip to Moab in April, I've convinced my wife we need to invest in a camper. I had already decided we needed a fifth-wheel, toy hauler, but that only narrows things down a little. I know how we operate, so there are a few must haves:
  • 1.5 bathrooms
  • Sleeping for 4-6 (No need for a bunkhouse for us)
  • 3k or under pin weight, 16k or under GVWR
Then there are the things that would be nice to have:
  • Generator (or at least gen prep package)
  • Large oven and full size fridge
  • I would love an east/west master bed arrangement, but this is not a deal breaker.
  • Outdoor living area/kitchen area (The garage patio covers this a bit, but some mfgs offer it, so it counts)
  • Good dealer network/warranty/mfg rep
  • Full welded aluminum frame. No sticks and tin.
Today we made our first visits to the RV dealerships to check out a few of the offerings out there. I had shopped around online and found a few dealers that offered some good options for us to look at.

We first looked at a KZ Sportster 353TH13. This is the lightest offering I could find that still met our initial requirements. We both really liked the KZ. The positives, it is a very aesthetically pleasing unit. Matches our style and eye. By far the most affordable unit we looked at today with a cost of around $55k. It also has a 13' garage which would fit most anything we would want to drag around (RZR, Golf Kart, Bikes, kayaks, whatever). The shower was the best we've seen so far as well as the bathroom layout in general.

Next, we hit up the Keystone Fuzions. I had really high hopes for the Fuzions. I love the tie downs they offer in the garage area. I was excited for a step up in fit and finish, and the reputation of the Keystone products online is very good. We looked at the biggest towable we would ever consider in the Fuzion 430, a more reasonable 373, and what I hoped would be the perfect Fuzion Impact 367.

The 430 was a solid No. The floorpan didn't make sense, it was HUGE. Way too big. and although it was the most expensive, it disappointed.

The 373 was nice. The glass doors at the garage entry and rear door were nice. The fit and finish was a step up from the KZ, but it was not without it's flaws. The countertops were a step up. Really nice solid surface. But, we found some of the "tile" backsplash had a warp in it, there were doors that didn't close easily or fully and other little misses on a brand new unit. One undeniable advantage for the Fuzion though is the welded aluminum construction. I'm not sure how much value can be put on that, but to me (the completely uneducated) it seems huge.

The Impact 367 was very comparable in fit and finish to the KZ. No glass doors, no full body paint, no fancy suspension / tires. It was definitely the base model for the Fuzion line. But that's what we expected. Overall, it was just ok. The KZ was better in most areas, but even this little Fuzion was an aluminum frame. But, it's about 50% more than the KZ.

We looked at a few Wolf Pack Cherokees, but they just weren't our style.

Lastly, we looked at the Jayco Talon. The Talon was a very nice unit. It was darker and seemingly more dated than the others, but Jayco makes a quality product and it was noticeable. This unit wasn't our favorite floorpan, but we might have to look into this line more.

If anyone has any feedback on what to look for or look at or brands to avoid, I'd love to hear it. Next we hope to look at Grand Design and Heartland.
You mentioned outdoor living and utilizing the rear Door “patio” option. Just a FYI. Most campsites I’ve docked at are to short to allow for a back patio to be utilized. These units you mentioned are over 35’ then another 10’ to utilize the patio.
I have a travel trailer toy hauler. It has a SIDE patio. It’s awesome!! Never had a problem with site layouts. And we utilize it more to hang riding gear then hang out on. It also works great as a shelter for machines, coolers, boots, shoes.
 

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After a trip to Moab in April, I've convinced my wife we need to invest in a camper. I had already decided we needed a fifth-wheel, toy hauler, but that only narrows things down a little. I know how we operate, so there are a few must haves:
  • 1.5 bathrooms
  • Sleeping for 4-6 (No need for a bunkhouse for us)
  • 3k or under pin weight, 16k or under GVWR
Then there are the things that would be nice to have:
  • Generator (or at least gen prep package)
  • Large oven and full size fridge
  • I would love an east/west master bed arrangement, but this is not a deal breaker.
  • Outdoor living area/kitchen area (The garage patio covers this a bit, but some mfgs offer it, so it counts)
  • Good dealer network/warranty/mfg rep
  • Full welded aluminum frame. No sticks and tin.
Today we made our first visits to the RV dealerships to check out a few of the offerings out there. I had shopped around online and found a few dealers that offered some good options for us to look at.

We first looked at a KZ Sportster 353TH13. This is the lightest offering I could find that still met our initial requirements. We both really liked the KZ. The positives, it is a very aesthetically pleasing unit. Matches our style and eye. By far the most affordable unit we looked at today with a cost of around $55k. It also has a 13' garage which would fit most anything we would want to drag around (RZR, Golf Kart, Bikes, kayaks, whatever). The shower was the best we've seen so far as well as the bathroom layout in general.

Next, we hit up the Keystone Fuzions. I had really high hopes for the Fuzions. I love the tie downs they offer in the garage area. I was excited for a step up in fit and finish, and the reputation of the Keystone products online is very good. We looked at the biggest towable we would ever consider in the Fuzion 430, a more reasonable 373, and what I hoped would be the perfect Fuzion Impact 367.

The 430 was a solid No. The floorpan didn't make sense, it was HUGE. Way too big. and although it was the most expensive, it disappointed.

The 373 was nice. The glass doors at the garage entry and rear door were nice. The fit and finish was a step up from the KZ, but it was not without it's flaws. The countertops were a step up. Really nice solid surface. But, we found some of the "tile" backsplash had a warp in it, there were doors that didn't close easily or fully and other little misses on a brand new unit. One undeniable advantage for the Fuzion though is the welded aluminum construction. I'm not sure how much value can be put on that, but to me (the completely uneducated) it seems huge.

The Impact 367 was very comparable in fit and finish to the KZ. No glass doors, no full body paint, no fancy suspension / tires. It was definitely the base model for the Fuzion line. But that's what we expected. Overall, it was just ok. The KZ was better in most areas, but even this little Fuzion was an aluminum frame. But, it's about 50% more than the KZ.

We looked at a few Wolf Pack Cherokees, but they just weren't our style.

Lastly, we looked at the Jayco Talon. The Talon was a very nice unit. It was darker and seemingly more dated than the others, but Jayco makes a quality product and it was noticeable. This unit wasn't our favorite floorpan, but we might have to look into this line more.

If anyone has any feedback on what to look for or look at or brands to avoid, I'd love to hear it. Next we hope to look at Grand Design and Heartland.
The Garage in general, is a must. I’ll never buy another unit without it. It makes for a easy and quick getaway at the end of a trip. “Throw everything in the garage and we will deal with it when we get home.” It’s said at the end of every trip ? . Mine is 12’6” Easily holds the golf cart for the resort campgrounds. When we are going off roading it holds my Pioneer 500, kfx50, crf50, xr100, all our riding gear and still have a ridiculous amount of room. Not to mention I still have my truck bed to hold my Grizzly and leveling blocks.
good luck on your hunt. Hope my experiences help you out.
 

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