Interesting Information on Deleting Emissions

[Patriot]

I was just doing some reading and research about pros and cons on deleting a modern diesel engine and came across this web page. Personally I don’t care if someone deletes their truck or car, its THEIR business, THEIR choice, THEIR money. What I do have a problem with is spending a good chunk of my hard earned money on a new truck and being told what I can and cannot do with it by the government.
Total government overreach in my opinion.
I do agree with one of the comments towards the end of the article. If the government is going to mandate emissions, than the truck manufacturer should warranty 100% of the entire emission system for the life of the vehicle. Where I live here in Western NC, we have no emissions tests on any of the cars or trucks in my county and many other counties within NC as well. Go figure? I am not sure how some counties get around no emissions, but they do. You are only required a safety inspection. $13.00

I will say my current 2020 F 250 Beast is a blast to drive bone stock. Plenty of power for my needs, however, I am still concerned about potential emissions issues/failures down the road. Being fairly new to the whole diesel emissions topic this article has given me pause and a few second thoughts about deleting. It’s expensive if done right and expensive if you ever have to take it back to stock. And really expensive if you get fined. (Keeping in mind this is an article on the internet so I do take it with a grain of salt). It does point out quite a few negatives of deleting which I think really out way the gains and are really important for any new diesel owner to consider. Just my thoughts, no expert here.

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All this said, I will be leaving my 6.7 stock and just have it maintained regularly. Keeping my warranty in tact and not going down the deleted road.

The Cold Hard Truth on Truck Emission Deletes and Tunes

Keep in mind that Diesel Laptops does not condone, nor recommend, deleting or tuning your emission systems. We don't sell or support hardware or software made for deleting emissions. The way the “economy” of emission tuning has gone is that there are two main methods.

www.diesellaptops.com

 

[PapaRaptor]

Mine will be factory. Had this information on my 2015 Dmax the truck went into limp mode on way home from up north on a busy Sunday Afternoon. top speed 55 for 100 miles. I got home lots of pissed off people. Speed limit was 70. All I got was an idiot light. Check engine. I ran my coder on it at home it told me the DEF heating element was not working. I contacted the selling dealership, made the appointment drove it in and two miles from the shop it goes into limp mode #2. 5MPH max. got there and was pissed. I was not in a good mood when I checked in. The service monkey ( writer ) said it could cost me $3,000.00 to repair. I said it only has 27,000 miles and not even 3 years old.

My buddy took me home. I got on the phone with GM and let em have it. I pushed the right button. I got a letter from GM giving me an additional 10 years warranty and additional 100,000 mile coverage on all emissions.

Many of my other buddies said to just delete all the stuff. I looked into it but decided not to. It was temping. Few days pass and I swing in and pick up my truck N/C. the code can only be cleared 2 times on that model GM D max. So the service writer told me if it happens again they would need to replace the computer module. WOW cool, he said cause guys would just keep deleting the codes so thats the default. I no longer own any GM cars.

One month later I get a state renewal in the mail. FIRST TIME EVER its state emission test required prior to renewal. I owned diesel trucks for 20 years WHAT????? Well it passed and I am very thank full I left it alone.
If I want to mess around with an engine I would have got the 7.3. But I have a V-8 Raptor that I can play with. My Tremor will remain stock 1050 Lb per ft is fine with me.

 

[DanMan583]

I was just doing some reading and research about pros and cons on deleting a modern diesel engine and came across this web page. Personally I don’t care if someone deletes their truck or car, its THEIR business, THEIR choice, THEIR money. What I do have a problem with is spending a good chunk of my hard earned money on a new truck and being told what I can and cannot do with it by the government.
Total government overreach in my opinion.
I do agree with one of the comments towards the end of the article. If the government is going to mandate emissions, than the truck manufacturer should warranty 100% of the entire emission system for the life of the vehicle. Where I live here in Western NC, we have no emissions tests on any of the cars or trucks in my county and many other counties within NC as well. Go figure???? I am. It not sure how some counties get around no emissions, but they do. You are only required a safety inspection. $13.00

I will say my current 2020 F 250 Beast is a blast to drive bone stock. Plenty of power for my needs, however, I am still concerned about potential emissions issues/failures down the road. Being fairly new to the whole diesel emissions topic this article has given me a pause and a few second thoughts about ever deleting, it’s expensive if done right and expensive if you ever have to take it back to stock. This is an article on the internet so I do take it with a grain of salt, not gospel. It’s really a shame that we can’t let these great engines and let them really breath.

The Cold Hard Truth on Truck Emission Deletes and Tunes

Keep in mind that Diesel Laptops does not condone, nor recommend, deleting or tuning your emission systems. We don't sell or support hardware or software made for deleting emissions. The way the “economy” of emission tuning has gone is that there are two main methods.

www.diesellaptops.com

That’s why after owning the 7.3L Powerstroke diesel for 386,000 miles for me now a Diesel engine just wasn’t an option. So, for 2020 I just got another 7.3L this time a gasser, has about the same amount of torque. Lol. The fact that it is a pushrod design was another deciding factor. I wanted to keep things simple.

But, you and I have discussed this already. Good article! ??

 

[Patriot]

Mine will be factory. Had this information on my 2015 Dmax the truck went into limp mode on way home from up north on a busy Sunday Afternoon. top speed 55 for 100 miles. I got home lots of pissed off people. Speed limit was 70. All I got was an idiot light. Check engine. I ran my coder on it at home it told me the DEF heating element was not working. I contacted the selling dealership, made the appointment drove it in and two miles from the shop it goes into limp mode #2. 5MPH max. got there and was pissed. I was not in a good mood when I checked in. The service monkey ( writer ) said it could cost me $3,000.00 to repair. I said it only has 27,000 miles and not even 3 years old.

My buddy took me home. I got on the phone with GM and let em have it. I pushed the right button. I got a letter from GM giving me an additional 10 years warranty and additional 100,000 mile coverage on all emissions.

Many of my other buddies said to just delete all the stuff. I looked into it but decided not to. It was temping. Few days pass and I swing in and pick up my truck N/C. the code can only be cleared 2 times on that model GM D max. So the service writer told me if it happens again they would need to replace the computer module. WOW cool, he said cause guys would just keep deleting the codes so thats the default. I no longer own any GM cars.

One month later I get a state renewal in the mail. FIRST TIME EVER its state emission test required prior to renewal. I owned diesel trucks for 20 years WHAT????? Well it passed and I am very thank full I left it alone.
If I want to mess around with an engine I would have got the 7.3. But I have a V-8 Raptor that I can play with. My Tremor will remain stock 1050 Lb per ft is fine with me.

Yes I 100% agree, stock mine will stay. ??

 

[Sludgemonkey44]

Yes I 100% agree, stock mine will stay. ??

Going with a little Yoda shit this morning I see. ?

 

[TxTremor]

If I went with the 6.7 I would of left it stock as well, just not worth the risk to delete. As long as you keep up in your maintenance and use good fuel, oil, and filters it should treat you well. I do run a number of tier 3 to FT4 diesel equipment at my business and one tip is you can not treat these modern diesels engines like the old engines 20 without emissions. Avoid long idles and too many short trips this is what is tough in newer engines. These new engines like to work and when working are more efficient at burning off the diesel particles or soot. On my tier 4 and newer equipment we work them hard and they have actually been pretty good for me, though I still prefer a tier 3 hands down. If they are not working hard for some reason we run the rpms up just to help build heat to help keep clean them out. Just my experience with modern emissions

 

[Baddestt]

I'd leave it stock, at least through the 5 year/100k warranty period. For longevity, delete is the only way.
Ford 6.7s itself are easily capable of 500k-1 million miles, especially the 2020 with steel pistons. The scr/dpf/egr will kill the motor long before then.