Caster specs after Carli level

[Wrangler98]

Installed Carli commuter today, dealer installed Carli caster shims and it added way too much caster. They reinstalled the factory shims for a 3.3 degree of caster. Is that enough? I haven’t driven it yet, and I’m guessing the springs will squat a lil eventually

 

[Colfaxent]

Installed Carli commuter today, dealer installed Carli caster shims and it added way too much caster. They reinstalled the factory shims for a 3.3 degree of caster. Is that enough? I haven’t driven it yet, and I’m guessing the springs will squat a lil eventually

What is way too much caster? What was the measurement?

 

[rawltide]

I'm not the best resource for this so take it with a grain of salt. With a disclaimer in mind, I have read several times that dealer techs will only allow caster measurements to fall within Ford spec. However, Carli has their own specs for what works. Not sure the dealer will allow going out of their window.

I'm thinking this might be the issue but without any actual data, nobody will be able to give you a solid answer. Can you post your alignment sheet?

 

[Backslider]

I would imagine the Carli kit adds +2 degrees of caster.

Does the Tremor come with increased caster angles as part of the factory lift?

I've lifted a lot of Toyotas and you usually want to shoot for around 4 degrees of caster. This is just outside of Toyota spec on most of their trucks. Usually the more caster a truck has the better as it allows the steering to naturally return to neutral and assists in smooth turning.. its going to be the same on this or any other truck.

5 degrees may be excessive though.. caster will also impact the forward position of the wheel inside the wheel well so an excessively high caster may contribute to rubbing.

Second opinions are always a good thing.

 

[Wrangler98]

What is way too much caster? What was the measurement?

Didn’t tell me I’m assuming over 6

 

[Wrangler98]

I'm not the best resource for this so take it with a grain of salt. With a disclaimer in mind, I have read several times that dealer techs will only allow caster measurements to fall within Ford spec. However, Carli has their own specs for what works. Not sure the dealer will allow going out of their window.

I'm thinking this might be the issue but without any actual data, nobody will be able to give you a solid answer. Can you post your alignment sheet?

I will when I get home, out of state for this hurricane, he told me spec was 3-5

 

[TomcatF14]

Installed Carli commuter today, dealer installed Carli caster shims and it added way too much caster. They reinstalled the factory shims for a 3.3 degree of caster. Is that enough? I haven’t driven it yet, and I’m guessing the springs will squat a lil eventually

You’ll know when you drive it. Too much wandering. Not enough. Stiffer steering. Too much.
Have a 78 FJ40 with a Old Man EMU lift. Really had to watch the pinion angle when adjusting the caster. Not sure if this is an issue on these trucks.

 

[Rigger]

After Carli leveling and Carli shims, my caster angle is +2.2 degrees. The tech said he wished it was a bit more. I may be adding Carli radius arms later to get a bit more caster.

 

[Backslider]

Ford spec for these trucks is 1.5° - 4.1°

It's going to feel much better and steer easier closer to the top of that range.

Cross caster is -.9° - .3° but I prefer pretty even values so that the vehicle tracks straight.

 

[Wrangler98]

You’ll know when you drive it. Too much wandering. Not enough. Stiffer steering. Too much.
Have a 78 FJ40 with a Old Man EMU lift. Really had to watch the pinion angle when adjusting the caster. Not sure if this is an issue on these trucks.

Ya I’ve run into that issue with Jeeps

 

[Wrangler98]

After Carli leveling and Carli shims, my caster angle is +2.2 degrees. The tech said he wished it was a bit more. I may be adding Carli radius arms later to get a bit more caster.

How does it handle?

 

[Rigger]

How does it handle?

So far seems okay. But I have not driven it a great deal since the Carli install.

 

[Tremor76]

My specs after Carli 2.5” Pintop. Fox ATS 2.0 stabilizer, so alignment was for neutral bias stabilizer. Tracks and steers perfect at all speeds?
Still waiting on my Carli Radius Arms and Deavers. Once installed will repost alignment specs.

 

[Colfaxent]

My specs after Carli 2.5” Pintop. Fox ATS 2.0 stabilizer, so alignment was for neutral bias stabilizer. Tracks and steers perfect at all speeds?
Still waiting on my Carli Radius Arms and Deavers. Once installed will repost alignment specs.View attachment 27682

Surprised to see Negative Camber on the left front, usually see 0 to about +.5 degrees. May favor a little inside edge tire wear. In spec because of wide tolerance but optimal is in the center of the display. Just nitpicking. No offense.

 

[Wrangler98]

Tried it tonight! Rides great, and handles better than it did stock. Maybe my alignment was off from the factory, because it tracks way better now!

 

[Backslider]

Tried it tonight! Rides great, and handles better than it did stock. Maybe my alignment was off from the factory, because it tracks way better now!

What options did you get with your commuter kit?

I'm curious - these kits are made for a non-lifted truck. With the Tremor factory lift is there a need for sway bar drop brackets or extended sway bar links?

 

[Wrangler98]

What options did you get with your commuter kit?

I'm curious - these kits are made for a non-lifted truck. With the Tremor factory lift is there a need for sway bar drop brackets or extended sway bar links?

Just the drop bracket and track bar.

 

[Rigger]

My Carli kit included track bar, springs, shocks, caster shims, sway bar drop brackets, and bump stop drop brackets.

 

[Forever & Ever Woods]

Ordered a '22 MY Sport F350 Lariat.

I'm coming out of an '11 Raptor Screw. I LOVED the ride both on and off road at high speeds! She seemed to have handled BETTER at high speed on dirt than on paved highway!

I want the Tremor to handle like that. I'm thinking the following:

Base Kit - Carli Pintop System: $3905

CS-FLC-11-GAS	Front Leveling Coils
CS-FPT25SPKG-LVL-11-GAS	Carli Custom Tuned KING 2.5" Remote Reservoir Shocks, Front and Rear with Stainless Shafts & Reservoir Mounts
CS-FORDBBL-LVL-17-F	Front Brake Lines
CS-FCASTERSHIM-2.5	2° Caster Shims
CS-FBDF-2.5-17	High Clearance Bump Stop Drops, Front
CS-FATB-17	Track Bar

Front Sway Bar Option - Torson Sway Bar - With End Links Leveling: $1165

SKU: CS-FTSB-LVL-17
- Direct Fitment to Carli Leveling Lifts
- Replaces Immobile Factory Sway Bar with Custom Torsion Bar
- Huge Ride Quality Improvement
- Includes CS-FEL-LVL-17 Drop Brackets and Sway Bar Links
- Fitment: 2017+ Ford F250/F350 4x4

Rear Leaf Option - Ford Full Progressive Leaf Packs: $1670

SKU: CS-FFSP-LVL-17
- Block eliminating, Full Progressive Spring Pack
- "Light" 3/4-Ton Capacity, Max Bed-load 2,000lbs.
- Includes new U-Bolts and Rear Bump Stop Drops
- Provides a 1", rear high stance on Matching 2.5" Leveling Suspension Systems
- 37" Tire Fitment
- Fitment: 2017+ F250/350 4x4, Diesel 3.5-4.0" Axle Tube


Radius Arm Option - Ford Radius Arms: 2.5" - 3/5": $1490

SKU: CS-FARA-LVL-05
- 1°-4° of adjustable Caster correction
- 3/16 Construction, Fully Internal Gusseted with 1/2" Additional Tire Clearance
- Limit Straps Kit Included
- Serviceable 17-4 Stainless Spherical Joint at Frame Connection for longevity and bind free Cycling
- Combines with Radius Arm Drop Brackets for 4.5"-5.5" Carli Systems
- Fitment: 2005+ F250/350 4x4


High Mount Steering Stabilizer: $370

SKU: CS-FHMSS-17
- Inside the Carli Stainless Stabilizer
- Long Lasting Performance and Appearance
- Bolt in Replacement for OEM Stabilizer
- Fitment: 2017+ F250/350 4x4
- Works on leveled and lifted trucks ONLY


Low Mount Steering Stabilizer: $660

SKU: CS-FLMSS-05
- Inside the Carli Stainless Stabilizer
- Custom Valved for Larger Tires, Adjustable Nitrogen Pressure
- Includes Differential Guard and Clamp
- Combines with High-Mount Stabilizer for Opposing Setup
- Fitment: 2005+ F250/350 4x4
- Optimized for Carli 2.5"-5.5" Systems


Total: $9,260

I primarily went with Lariat VS King Ranch to suspension because I want this to ride more like the Raptor.

What are your guys thoughts on this? Will this setup achieve a close ride? ALSO - I'm going to upgrade to 37" tires with this setup is the hope along with airbags.


Thanx for the future input.

 

[BroncOh]

Ordered a '22 MY Sport F350 Lariat.

I'm coming out of an '11 Raptor Screw. I LOVED the ride both on and off road at high speeds! She seemed to have handled BETTER at high speed on dirt than on paved highway!

I want the Tremor to handle like that. I'm thinking the following:

Base Kit - Carli Pintop System: $3905

CS-FLC-11-GAS	Front Leveling Coils
CS-FPT25SPKG-LVL-11-GAS	Carli Custom Tuned KING 2.5" Remote Reservoir Shocks, Front and Rear with Stainless Shafts & Reservoir Mounts
CS-FORDBBL-LVL-17-F	Front Brake Lines
CS-FCASTERSHIM-2.5	2° Caster Shims
CS-FBDF-2.5-17	High Clearance Bump Stop Drops, Front
CS-FATB-17	Track Bar

Front Sway Bar Option - Torson Sway Bar - With End Links Leveling: $1165

SKU: CS-FTSB-LVL-17
- Direct Fitment to Carli Leveling Lifts
- Replaces Immobile Factory Sway Bar with Custom Torsion Bar
- Huge Ride Quality Improvement
- Includes CS-FEL-LVL-17 Drop Brackets and Sway Bar Links
- Fitment: 2017+ Ford F250/F350 4x4

Rear Leaf Option - Ford Full Progressive Leaf Packs: $1670

SKU: CS-FFSP-LVL-17
- Block eliminating, Full Progressive Spring Pack
- "Light" 3/4-Ton Capacity, Max Bed-load 2,000lbs.
- Includes new U-Bolts and Rear Bump Stop Drops
- Provides a 1", rear high stance on Matching 2.5" Leveling Suspension Systems
- 37" Tire Fitment
- Fitment: 2017+ F250/350 4x4, Diesel 3.5-4.0" Axle Tube


Radius Arm Option - Ford Radius Arms: 2.5" - 3/5": $1490

SKU: CS-FARA-LVL-05
- 1°-4° of adjustable Caster correction
- 3/16 Construction, Fully Internal Gusseted with 1/2" Additional Tire Clearance
- Limit Straps Kit Included
- Serviceable 17-4 Stainless Spherical Joint at Frame Connection for longevity and bind free Cycling
- Combines with Radius Arm Drop Brackets for 4.5"-5.5" Carli Systems
- Fitment: 2005+ F250/350 4x4


High Mount Steering Stabilizer: $370

SKU: CS-FHMSS-17
- Inside the Carli Stainless Stabilizer
- Long Lasting Performance and Appearance
- Bolt in Replacement for OEM Stabilizer
- Fitment: 2017+ F250/350 4x4
- Works on leveled and lifted trucks ONLY


Low Mount Steering Stabilizer: $660

SKU: CS-FLMSS-05
- Inside the Carli Stainless Stabilizer
- Custom Valved for Larger Tires, Adjustable Nitrogen Pressure
- Includes Differential Guard and Clamp
- Combines with High-Mount Stabilizer for Opposing Setup
- Fitment: 2005+ F250/350 4x4
- Optimized for Carli 2.5"-5.5" Systems


Total: $9,260

I primarily went with Lariat VS King Ranch to suspension because I want this to ride more like the Raptor.

What are your guys thoughts on this? Will this setup achieve a close ride? ALSO - I'm going to upgrade to 37" tires with this setup is the hope along with airbags.


Thanx for the future input.

Check out CJC Offroad for the parts. They are more concise and clear of what Carli parts you need compared to Carli's site.

Are you planning on keeping the OEM 18" rims? If you go with aftermarket 17" ones, it will offer a more compliant ride due to more sidewall.