Carli Pathfinder suspension

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Well this is interesting to see this morning.. seems we have a new shock/ suspension package from Carli in the Pathfinder system.

@BLACKCHERRY .. we'd love to know more!

 
This system is slotted between the Backcountry and the Pintop. It will be slightly less dirt capable than the Pintop with a softer on-road ride. It is far more dirt capable than the Backcountry with a very similar on-road ride. You'll see in the video, i drove it pretty hard in the dirt and it moves quite a bit - this is a direct result of valving it softer. A backcountry would move similarly, while a Pintop would stay for more composed. BUT, the additional valving in the Pintops leads to more road feel, while these are more muted to small/medium road imperfections.

We're releasing these for the 3.5" and 5.5" Diesel (these are done, releasing these in the next 1-2 weeks, shipping early July), AND the 3" Gas (in the shop right now). This project is why I've been absent on here - i feel like I've lived inside shocks for the past 12 months with this project.

The shocks are awesome, they're an aluminum body that's hard anodized for corrosion and scratch resistance, all billet parts are black ano making for a super refined looking shock package. The ride is a direct result of customer feedback; everyone wants a 2.5" shock, but most want them to err toward on-road compliance and are willing to sacrifice offroad performance to achieve this. I valved these with this feedback in mind. I removed the Dominators from my rig to install these and have not put them back on because these ride so nice in my daily commute. I'll throw the 3.0's back on before my next dirt trip.

Personally, I love the King offerings as i prefer a controlled ride that gives where it needs to but feels supportive and maintains control in reasonable off-road terrain. I am surprised how much i am enjoying my Carli-SPEC shocks as they're a whole different feel. For example, i turned into a parking lot that had a steep, angled driveway and was surprised how soft it felt and how much the axle traveled with such little force applied. I am used to my 3.0" kings that would hold the nose higher moving far less for the same force input. The Kings beg to be driven hard and fast. The more aggressively you drive, the better they feel. These Carli-SPEC shocks are stoked to cruise around - they don't require an aggressive driving style to achieve a compliant ride.

I can ramble on all day - I love this stuff, lol. I'm an open book - happy to answer any questions!

TL;DR Highlights:
  1. 2.5" shocks have FAR more oil capacity than a 2.0" so they'll last a long time between rebuilds
  2. Valved less aggressively than the Kings - less offroad performance, more on-road compliance.
  3. Hard Anodized finish on aluminum shock body, Black Ano Billet ends (vs. our Kings that are ZINC plated Steel)
  4. We spec a very high-quality red shock oil so it'll be near impossible to heat them up and fade them with the valving we have in them. (King's OEM oil is inferior to this, BUT their blue oil is amazing - just cost prohibitive to put it in all shocks)
  5. We've achieved an aesthetic that our customers previously paid $1,200 (in addition to the cost of the shocks themselves) in custom color fees to customize their kings.
  6. Everyone's favorite part, this shock package will be $500-$600 cheaper than our King offerings depending on application.
  7. The Kings beg to be driven hard and fast. The more aggressively you drive, the better they feel. These Carli-SPEC shocks are stoked to cruise around - they don't require an aggressive driving style to achieve a compliant ride.
 

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How do these compare to the Eventure system? I know it’s not apples to apples but just curious for overall comfort, light off roading and some towing.
 
Watched the video last night, seems like these will be a great system for the vast majority of people, but it definitely looked like things got a little "exciting" in the offroad shots :LOL:. Curious how these stack up on-road as far as body roll vs. the Backcountry? For the brief time I ran Backcountry shocks on my truck there was some added roll that took some getting used to vs. the King's (and ultimately why I put the King's back on after deciding to keep my 2021).
 
This system is slotted between the Backcountry and the Pintop. It will be slightly less dirt capable than the Pintop with a softer on-road ride. It is far more dirt capable than the Backcountry with a very similar on-road ride. You'll see in the video, i drove it pretty hard in the dirt and it moves quite a bit - this is a direct result of valving it softer. A backcountry would move similarly, while a Pintop would stay for more composed. BUT, the additional valving in the Pintops leads to more road feel, while these are more muted to small/medium road imperfections.

We're releasing these for the 3.5" and 5.5" Diesel (these are done, releasing these in the next 1-2 weeks, shipping early July), AND the 3" Gas (in the shop right now). This project is why I've been absent on here - i feel like I've lived inside shocks for the past 12 months with this project.

The shocks are awesome, they're an aluminum body that's hard anodized for corrosion and scratch resistance, all billet parts are black ano making for a super refined looking shock package. The ride is a direct result of customer feedback; everyone wants a 2.5" shock, but most want them to err toward on-road compliance and are willing to sacrifice offroad performance to achieve this. I valved these with this feedback in mind. I removed the Dominators from my rig to install these and have not put them back on because these ride so nice in my daily commute. I'll throw the 3.0's back on before my next dirt trip.

Personally, I love the King offerings as i prefer a controlled ride that gives where it needs to but feels supportive and maintains control in reasonable off-road terrain. I am surprised how much i am enjoying my Carli-SPEC shocks as they're a whole different feel. For example, i turned into a parking lot that had a steep, angled driveway and was surprised how soft it felt and how much the axle traveled with such little force applied. I am used to my 3.0" kings that would hold the nose higher moving far less for the same force input. The Kings beg to be driven hard and fast. The more aggressively you drive, the better they feel. These Carli-SPEC shocks are stoked to cruise around - they don't require an aggressive driving style to achieve a compliant ride.

I can ramble on all day - I love this stuff, lol. I'm an open book - happy to answer any questions!

TL;DR Highlights:
  1. 2.5" shocks have FAR more oil capacity than a 2.0" so they'll last a long time between rebuilds
  2. Valved less aggressively than the Kings - less offroad performance, more on-road compliance.
  3. Hard Anodized finish on aluminum shock body, Black Ano Billet ends (vs. our Kings that are ZINC plated Steel)
  4. We spec a very high-quality red shock oil so it'll be near impossible to heat them up and fade them with the valving we have in them. (King's OEM oil is inferior to this, BUT their blue oil is amazing - just cost prohibitive to put it in all shocks)
  5. We've achieved an aesthetic that our customers previously paid $1,200 (in addition to the cost of the shocks themselves) in custom color fees to customize their kings.
  6. Everyone's favorite part, this shock package will be $500-$600 cheaper than our King offerings depending on application.
  7. The Kings beg to be driven hard and fast. The more aggressively you drive, the better they feel. These Carli-SPEC shocks are stoked to cruise around - they don't require an aggressive driving style to achieve a compliant ride.
These look great! any updates/etas on steering stuff? I'm ready to ditch my apex stuff.
 
How do these compare to the Eventure system? I know it’s not apples to apples but just curious for overall comfort, light off roading and some towing.
The EVenture rides nearly as compliant on road with more control thanks to the electronics. It's basically this shock package and tune with active stability management. Honestly, it's far superior to the Carli-SPEC 2.5" in performance but that's to be expected with the price difference.
Watched the video last night, seems like these will be a great system for the vast majority of people, but it definitely looked like things got a little "exciting" in the offroad shots :LOL:. Curious how these stack up on-road as far as body roll vs. the Backcountry? For the brief time I ran Backcountry shocks on my truck there was some added roll that took some getting used to vs. the King's (and ultimately why I put the King's back on after deciding to keep my 2021).
These have larger piston surface area vs. the 2.0" - this means larger diameter shims (1.55" vs 1.425") and more control. I actually run a lighter shim against the piston so it's give, but added .002" preload to ad a touch of digression to the valving (this raises the initial stiffness of the shim against the piston) ensuring it's controlled before it gets into the progression of the valve stack. This may or may not make sense to you; again, i have lived in shocks for the past year so I may have lost touch with my ability to communicate a layman understanding... LOL
These look great! any updates/etas on steering stuff? I'm ready to ditch my apex stuff.
Steering stuff is there. We used our ball joint coating as everyone loves it, but swapped over to something different and refined the design a touch to get the price point down. My steering is coming off for the new badass coating so we can final cost it.
Need a discount upgrade program for BackCountry folks! 😜
Facebook Marketplace offers a great program! Deal with 20-30 hilariously non-responsive low-ballers until you find one to show up for the price they offered, of which you're considered lucky if it's 40% of your reasonable asking price.
 
Honestly Dan, you guys killed it! If I didn’t have the Kings already I would’ve bought these. They are the shock most of us should be running. As much as I wish I was consistently charging it like you do. The reality is that I don’t. Just a thought @BLACKCHERRY have you ever considered doing a setup like this for the guys that don’t want to lift their trucks? Basically a stock height Carli performance package?
 
Honestly Dan, you guys killed it! If I didn’t have the Kings already I would’ve bought these. They are the shock most of us should be running. As much as I wish I was consistently charging it like you do. The reality is that I don’t. Just a thought @BLACKCHERRY have you ever considered doing a setup like this for the guys that don’t want to lift their trucks? Basically a stock height Carli performance package?
That's an interesting one. Reason i say it, there's a huge bottleneck - the stock springs. On our leveling systems, we need to deal with it in the rear as the level (sig series) shocks are designed to work with the stock rear leaf springs. Rear shocks need to increase in compression and rebound tuning until you feel them control the compression of the spring. Once you hit this threshold, the front needs to balance to the rear. The more valving you need in the rear to balance to the high spring rate, the more the front has to come up to match the rear and balance the chassis front to back.

If you're working with super high spring rates front and rear - you're not going to achieve a ride quality to compete with one of the suspension systems. Lightening the rate of the coils and replacing the leaf springs with our progressives opens a whole new world of ride quality vs. anyone working with a stock spring rate front or rear (or both), even using the same dampers - there's only so much valving you can pull out before you're dealing with a super stiff spring in trying to gain compliance.
 
That's an interesting one. Reason i say it, there's a huge bottleneck - the stock springs. On our leveling systems, we need to deal with it in the rear as the level (sig series) shocks are designed to work with the stock rear leaf springs. Rear shocks need to increase in compression and rebound tuning until you feel them control the compression of the spring. Once you hit this threshold, the front needs to balance to the rear. The more valving you need in the rear to balance to the high spring rate, the more the front has to come up to match the rear and balance the chassis front to back.

If you're working with super high spring rates front and rear - you're not going to achieve a ride quality to compete with one of the suspension systems. Lightening the rate of the coils and replacing the leaf springs with our progressives opens a whole new world of ride quality vs. anyone working with a stock spring rate front or rear (or both), even using the same dampers - there's only so much valving you can pull out before you're dealing with a super stiff spring in trying to gain compliance.

Speaking of Springs, I assume if I wanted to upgrade to the Pathfinder shocks on my ‘24 with the Full BackCountry catalog it’s just a shock swap, Coils and Full Progressives still tuned for them?
 
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These have larger piston surface area vs. the 2.0" - this means larger diameter shims (1.55" vs 1.425") and more control. I actually run a lighter shim against the piston so it's give, but added .002" preload to ad a touch of digression to the valving (this raises the initial stiffness of the shim against the piston) ensuring it's controlled before it gets into the progression of the valve stack. This may or may not make sense to you; again, i have lived in shocks for the past year so I may have lost touch with my ability to communicate a layman understanding... LOL
I think at a really simplistic level it makes sense... thanks for the explanation.

So basically a little firmer/more control at slow speed (ie. body roll) but softens up as you get into the travel a bit/higher shaft speeds.
 
Speaking of Springs, I assume if I wanted to upgrade to the Pathfinder shocks on my ‘24 with the Full BackCountry catalog it’s just a shock swap, Coils and Full Progressives still tuned for them?
Correct!
I think at a really simplistic level it makes sense... thanks for the explanation.

So basically a little firmer/more control at slow speed (ie. body roll) but softens up as you get into the travel a bit/higher shaft speeds.
Correct!
 
That's an interesting one. Reason i say it, there's a huge bottleneck - the stock springs. On our leveling systems, we need to deal with it in the rear as the level (sig series) shocks are designed to work with the stock rear leaf springs. Rear shocks need to increase in compression and rebound tuning until you feel them control the compression of the spring. Once you hit this threshold, the front needs to balance to the rear. The more valving you need in the rear to balance to the high spring rate, the more the front has to come up to match the rear and balance the chassis front to back.

If you're working with super high spring rates front and rear - you're not going to achieve a ride quality to compete with one of the suspension systems. Lightening the rate of the coils and replacing the leaf springs with our progressives opens a whole new world of ride quality vs. anyone working with a stock spring rate front or rear (or both), even using the same dampers - there's only so much valving you can pull out before you're dealing with a super stiff spring in trying to gain compliance.
Thank you for the explanation. I just love my setup so much that I was thinking that there was possibly a market for it. Honestly a level on 35’s with this setup would be a great option for those that don’t want a “lifted” truck. You are getting a lot of performance out of that 1.5” You know what I’m saying @Optimus🤖
 
When will this be on the website for purchase?
 
Correct!

Correct!
I guess I missed that in the video. So these springs are different than the standard springs from Carli? Meaning that if you buy the pathfinder setup and want to go to the Eventure you have to switch springs?
 
Thank you for the explanation. I just love my setup so much that I was thinking that there was possibly a market for it. Honestly a level on 35’s with this setup would be a great option for those that don’t want a “lifted” truck. You are getting a lot of performance out of that 1.5” You know what I’m saying @Optimus🤖
Yes sir! The several Carlis I've dated would agree.

Oh look, Nitto Ridge Grapplers. Just made my day. Thank you! 🤪
 
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