Finally got a chance to see how the Tremor handled my Goosemeck equipment trailer with D4 loaded. Mainly will use to move dozer locally for dirt jobs. It did very well. The 10 speed with the 7.3L is amazing.
2021 Tremor 7.3 towing CAT D4
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What kind of weight is that with the trailer and dozer combined?
Fantastic looking setup!
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It Should be around 22,000 lbs. dozer and trailer. First time I tried it. I do not plan to be on a major highway with it. I had a Ram3500 I traded for the Tremor. The 2019 and 2020 Rams have the CP4 fuel pump issues going on, FCA doing nothing about it, so got my money out of the Ram trading for the Tremor. My trailer is on the shorter side. To run the dozer all the way up front put one end of the overload spring just touching the rubber stop. I went up a local highway for 2 miles at 55 mph. The brakes are all working on the trailer so I felt comfortable with it. As far as pulling the setup the truck was not in a strain at all. On one site I had read the Tremor could handle 15K on rear hitch and 22K on GN. I would not want to be on major highway, but was pleasantly surprised how well it handled this. Will be very seldom used like this, the weight on the GN ball is adequate but not excessive. Most importantly the trailer brakes are in great condition. I borrowed a F350 DRW and equipment trailer from a buddy in the past. His trailer brakes were not good at all. It was not a fun haul, LOL..
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The only site that matters is Ford's, which has their towing guide. According to the chart on Page 24, a 2021 F250 7.3 with footnote 3, Tremor Package, the gooseneck maximum is 17,500.
By your guess, you're 4,500 pounds overweight. You're exceeding the maximum rating by 25%.
Always like to hear about these real world tests. So how would you compare the power of the Ram 3500 / 6.7 Cummins with the 7.3 Tremor? I am a big fan of the Cummins engine, not so much the rest of the truck.
Yes but it can be rated up to 22k without any mechanical change so it’s physically not overloaded: https://www.fordtremor.com/threads/the-tremor-towing-table.4262/
Granted that’s with a diesel, but he’s not in the mountains so no difference there.
I’d be curious if you could get that tongue weight down if you backed the dozer onto the trailer.
That’s how I’d typically haul a large track loader on a short equipment trailer. Not sure about center of gravity of a dozer though.
That's neat, but he doesn't have a diesel, and pursuant to the reference material, it's overloaded by 25%.
Anecdotally, see how the truck is squatting in the back, with the nose high? That's because it's overloaded by 25%.
That’s because of the tongue weight.
The diesel doesn’t make the truck squat less. ?
First, that’s pin weight.
Second, at no point did I write that the diesel would do a better job. The truck is overweight. Diesel or gas, the Tremor does a poor job of towing big weight.
Pin weight! Thank you for the correction.
Yes, it’s overweight, but not physically by 25%. Legally, well he’s seemingly in the trades and he’s in Florida. In either of those cases legality is not likely a primary concern.
As evident by the OP, and the specs, the truck is certainly capable of towing 22K#. Agreed however that this truck wouldn’t be my first choice of any for towing anything over 10K#.
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Airbags would help the squat in this situation, but that does not change the fact it is still overloaded according to the charts.
Looked into this a bit and it does appear that the D4 is designed to be front/blade heavy.
If it fits with the blade against the ramps you can probably improve weight distribution.
I literally pull 11.5k with an F150 right now. Certainly you don't mean that a F250 Tremor can't handle a measly 10k? Come on dude
Of course it can! That’s my entire argument here. And literally my statement that you quoted! ?
I was just agreeing with SM that choosing a SRW pickup to pull any meaningful weight wouldn’t be the best first choice if you could choose from any other vehicle to pull with.
For example, I used to tow a 17K# track loader (with implements) every single day. I had an early-aughts F350 and an early-aughts Isuzu NPR dump truck at the time. I’d choose the dump truck for towing every time if it wasn’t otherwise occupied. When pulling that weight (on flat roads) with the Isuzu you would have to check the mirrors to make sure the trailer didn’t fall off because you couldn’t even feel the weight behind you. The F350 would be white knuckle the whole time (unless you were towing in a straight line up a grade in which case the 350’s horsepower advantage won out.)
Impressive to hear of it doing so well pulling this weight. These trucks are the real deal.
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Hey guys, Thanks for all the posts. I'll try to answer each best I can.
1) Cummins vs. 7.3L gas. Coming from 15 years of owning a 7.3L powerstroke it definitely was a pulling machine. The gas 7.3L is rated similar in torque to the 7.3L Powerstroke of the day. Still not lower rpm diesel torque like I loved. The auto trans behind the 7.3L was a good trans. You just had to treat it well. I have never been a pedal down hauler anyway. I did not have a gooseneck hitch in my 2002. I wanted to get something to haul the dozer so I picked up the GN trailer and a IHC 1600 flatbed. It had the old 7.3 non turbo and it ran good put had very little power. So i decided to sell it and the 2002 f250 and get something to do it all. So in with the 2020 Ram 3500. HO cummins, Aisin trans, 35K tow rating. I liked the Ram, loved the Cummins, doors hinges are very flimsy, Wiper design is sad. If you stop in a motel in an ice storm you wiper valley will have 6 inches of ice jamming them. CP4 fuel pump on the RAM is overclocked and they started failing. If it is warranted you may not have a truck for a couple months. FCA has not done anything as far as a recall. I drove a 7.3L gas. Found a dealer to trade with that gave me what I had in the RAM. (When I bought the Ram the dealer knocked like 7K off the MSRP) A friend had the CP4 fail on his 2019 RAM. That was enough for me to decide if FCA can't step up on this I was trading mine off. Sorry to get off course here, On to #2.
2) The 7.3L gas with the 10 speed trans gets the job done. It does it very well. That said, it is NOT A DIESEL.... The Cummins was totally awesome in the torque department. Sadly most of the rest of the truck is not the best but Ram owners take that into account and will argue the point.
3} My Ram was rated for up to 35K n the GN. I do not think I would have wanted to go up and down the highway for a living with that much behind me
4) Fuel mileage. When towing I never achieved that great mileage people claim. Sure they may get one. So far all around the 7.3L gas is within a mile per gallon towing
5) Truck squat with dozer. My pin weight was not overloaded. Towing GN I have been told you want a certain % of the total weight on the GN ball.... You want the rear to squat a little bit. Up to your total GVWR of the truck I have been told. A friend in the business puts like 3500 lbs on his GM dually regularly. Has been stopped by troopers, weighed, no tickets, etc. One trooper told him he was set up right. My Ram sitting on level ground nosed down big time. It was 4wd also. When hooked to Gooseneck w dozer it leveled out and perhaps squated a little.
6) Positioning dozer. I have hauled a lot of stuff personally over the years. It does not take long to figure out how much weight and where to put it. I was a foot or so back on the trailer and the truck had very little GN weight. I moved it where I had the F250 squat a little and called it good. There is a scale up the road from me and perhaps when I have time I will play with dozer position. If you have no weight on your truck the trailer will walk you all over the road.
7) This is not what I would get on the main highway with. I was not comfortable with the RAM with the same load, Troopers and DOT are too particular around here.
8) Weight charts, Diesel or gas..... Even with the same chassis and suspension , the diesels are rated higher. Because in the testing they can accelerated quicker, etc. It is just not weight that the ratings are set by, The 10 speed trans is the star here. Ford puts the 7.3L gas in up to F650 dump trucks. It can do the job. Not the super puller diesel that everyone thinks they have.
9) I got rid of the Ram because I felt that FCA was letting everyone down on the 2019, 2020 Cummins CP4 issue. I use my truck for pulling ususally 10K. I make sure my trailer has good brakes. I do not push the limits when towing.
10) The Tremor pulled the 22K on GN the same as pulling the 10K on the bumper. The 7.3L gas w the 10 speed is a great setup. I do not care that it is not the 6.7L and can chirp the tires in the first 4 gears, LOL. Just the opinions of an old guy
1) Cummins vs. 7.3L gas. Coming from 15 years of owning a 7.3L powerstroke it definitely was a pulling machine. The gas 7.3L is rated similar in torque to the 7.3L Powerstroke of the day. Still not lower rpm diesel torque like I loved. The auto trans behind the 7.3L was a good trans. You just had to treat it well. I have never been a pedal down hauler anyway. I did not have a gooseneck hitch in my 2002. I wanted to get something to haul the dozer so I picked up the GN trailer and a IHC 1600 flatbed. It had the old 7.3 non turbo and it ran good put had very little power. So i decided to sell it and the 2002 f250 and get something to do it all. So in with the 2020 Ram 3500. HO cummins, Aisin trans, 35K tow rating. I liked the Ram, loved the Cummins, doors hinges are very flimsy, Wiper design is sad. If you stop in a motel in an ice storm you wiper valley will have 6 inches of ice jamming them. CP4 fuel pump on the RAM is overclocked and they started failing. If it is warranted you may not have a truck for a couple months. FCA has not done anything as far as a recall. I drove a 7.3L gas. Found a dealer to trade with that gave me what I had in the RAM. (When I bought the Ram the dealer knocked like 7K off the MSRP) A friend had the CP4 fail on his 2019 RAM. That was enough for me to decide if FCA can't step up on this I was trading mine off. Sorry to get off course here, On to #2.
2) The 7.3L gas with the 10 speed trans gets the job done. It does it very well. That said, it is NOT A DIESEL.... The Cummins was totally awesome in the torque department. Sadly most of the rest of the truck is not the best but Ram owners take that into account and will argue the point.
3} My Ram was rated for up to 35K n the GN. I do not think I would have wanted to go up and down the highway for a living with that much behind me
4) Fuel mileage. When towing I never achieved that great mileage people claim. Sure they may get one. So far all around the 7.3L gas is within a mile per gallon towing
5) Truck squat with dozer. My pin weight was not overloaded. Towing GN I have been told you want a certain % of the total weight on the GN ball.... You want the rear to squat a little bit. Up to your total GVWR of the truck I have been told. A friend in the business puts like 3500 lbs on his GM dually regularly. Has been stopped by troopers, weighed, no tickets, etc. One trooper told him he was set up right. My Ram sitting on level ground nosed down big time. It was 4wd also. When hooked to Gooseneck w dozer it leveled out and perhaps squated a little.
6) Positioning dozer. I have hauled a lot of stuff personally over the years. It does not take long to figure out how much weight and where to put it. I was a foot or so back on the trailer and the truck had very little GN weight. I moved it where I had the F250 squat a little and called it good. There is a scale up the road from me and perhaps when I have time I will play with dozer position. If you have no weight on your truck the trailer will walk you all over the road.
7) This is not what I would get on the main highway with. I was not comfortable with the RAM with the same load, Troopers and DOT are too particular around here.
8) Weight charts, Diesel or gas..... Even with the same chassis and suspension , the diesels are rated higher. Because in the testing they can accelerated quicker, etc. It is just not weight that the ratings are set by, The 10 speed trans is the star here. Ford puts the 7.3L gas in up to F650 dump trucks. It can do the job. Not the super puller diesel that everyone thinks they have.
9) I got rid of the Ram because I felt that FCA was letting everyone down on the 2019, 2020 Cummins CP4 issue. I use my truck for pulling ususally 10K. I make sure my trailer has good brakes. I do not push the limits when towing.
10) The Tremor pulled the 22K on GN the same as pulling the 10K on the bumper. The 7.3L gas w the 10 speed is a great setup. I do not care that it is not the 6.7L and can chirp the tires in the first 4 gears, LOL. Just the opinions of an old guy
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I agree on the DRW. Mainly the Tremor is hooked to bumper trailer pulling 10K and all is good. Future plans may included another one ton DRW truck. Currently I can borrow a buddies F350 DRW 2WD F350 with 7.3L Powerstroke if I go any distance to speak of. Just was playing with the Tremor to move dozer 3 miles on county blacktop. It pulled so well I went on out to the state highway to add a couple miles and see how it did.
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Thumbs up. That would be a little far. I was just pleased / amazed how effortlessly it pulled the dozer. Like I said before, the Tremor chassis is stout but is not a truck you want to start a hotshot career with. I ran a D11 a while back but have never played with an excavator
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